MooCow12 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:12 am
spookuni wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 1:34 am
Additional addenda, I have been made aware that cyborgification deconverts team antagonists, I did not know this before and I don't expect anyone else to have known this specifically, but it does render my comment earlier about pre-purged shells incorrect - that would also be acting to self-deconvert on purpose. Any team antag to silicon conversion would require the receiving shell (AI or Cyborg) to be fully lawed to ensure that the resulting silicon is law bound to act as if they were a member of their previous team.
Okay but how was anypony supposed to know this already. I thought anycultpony could just be turned into a borg and retain the ability to use runed metal to craft ponylons.
I don't expect you to have known this, it's a weird niche interaction that I brought up to acknowledge that
I hadn't known about it and as such my previous comment about the viability of using a purged borg shell for this strategy is incorrect - I don't want to accidentally bait another player reading this thread into doing something against the rules now that I am aware that it is.
MooCow12 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:20 am
So the act of "deconverting yourself" is arbitrarily blacklisted and never allowed even when it could theoretically provide alot more value for your team? Are suicide bombs as team antagonist bad too?
Being effectively or actually deconverted isn't fully no-context blacklisted, but the number of situations where a player can willingly and intentionally shuck their status as a team antag are very uncommon.
Whatever form an effective or actual willing deconversion takes, the player OOC would be bound to ensure that they are both
- Still
required to assist their former team
- Still
capable of doing so, both in character and out of character (deconversion generally carries with it a loss of antagonist status that would prohibit actually helping your former team even if you wanted to)
The situations where both of these requirements are met are rare
Suicide bombing would not be considered a self-deconversion by anyone that I'm aware of - dying in the pursuit of furthering your team's objectives is very different to attempting to shuck those objectives to go do whatever. The standard for suicide bombing as a conversion antag is generally 'good faith attempt to help team that didn't actively make their jobs harder'. Just as if you had died fighting whatever you were bombing the normal clicky way