Rustledjimm wrote:Though the world vassal is hyperbole the current agreement sounds like a situation where we will have to follow nearly all EU laws anyway without any say in them what so ever.
Basically leavers won't be happy and remainers won't be happy.
So why are we doing this again?
The EU is trying to punish us for exercising our own democracy as i think that suprises no one, this was probably in the long-game anyway if the referendum flipped the other way. Entirely hook or crook we were going to try and be strongarmed into the EU meaning that Germany and France who are very much in each other's pants have the entirety of the EU parliment vote without other smaller states with less EU MEP's because GB was third for representatives. On the opposition is ourselves (uk) Austria & Italy + Hungary and maybe Poland.
- Other member states like the balkan states are too insignificant with too few MEP's to do anything, Greece is being blackmailed by germany of their debt pretty much with only a handful of MEP's, Poland will probably flip flop or remain neutral but in rhetoric appears to be non-reformist pro EU as opposed, especially since Russia is prowling about on the world stage.
Talks regarding a EU army mouthed by Macron (if any of this happened behind closed doors, then Macron is likely someone very poor at keeping his mouth quiet) and Alienated the US later repeated by Merkel on the same day that anybody heard about the Brexit details deal being done. Threats over a EU army have been rattling around for years, its nothing new.
As a footnote, having a army composed often precedes the seizure or formation of power if history has taught anything to virtually anybody, as weapons are very persuasive.
Screemonster wrote:A remain vote on the basis of "sure the EU are a pack of cunts but if we leave we'll be 100% at the mercy of a completely unfettered westminster who are an even bigger pack of cunts" is a perfectly sound position to take
You can physically change representatives in government within the by voting on a local and national scale, voting UKIP or the green party would simply push green party or UKIP reps into parliment, the EU directors are a unelected pack of cunts who just inherit the job due to seniority in EU government and my knowledge is too vague to determine how EU MEPs are elected, but its all very bread and circuses over there with the likes of Warmonger and total prick Tony Blair swanning around the EU headquarters trying to claim to be a scion of peace.