Give the eguns to the heads of staff

onleavedontatme · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:56 am

Remove 3 eguns from armory

Give egun to CMO, RD, CE. All heads (and only heads) would now have eguns, so they could be fluffed as an officers sidearm or something.

Pros: Guns are more spread out, so lowpop+stolen empty armory isn't quite as disastrous. Heads of staff could defend their departments etc in low pop.

Cons: Would be easier to get a gun initially and snowball by killing the CMO. Security (more like the warden/HoS who always take all the guns) have less firepower.

Rate the idea etc

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:00 am #172528

Nah, it'd just encourage greyshits to mug heads round start

onleavedontatme · Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:04 am

But if they try and mug me I can shoot them?

TechnoAlchemist · Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:10 am

telebatons are a bit neutered so i guess ya

Screemonster · Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:24 am

It'd maybe help the CMO last more than two seconds in rev.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:25 am #172535

I do not trust the average head of staff with a gun tbh

killerx09 · Post by **killerx09** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:38 am #172537

Head antags (Tators, gangs, shadowlings) would start with lethals right away though. I dunno how I feel about that.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:50 am #172544

I have no strong feelings, one way or the other.

(If you must then consider giving heads of staff a crummy two shot taser as a sidearm)

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:00 am #172545

i rather give them disablers then auctall eguns with a kill setting

EDIT:you know those crappy disablers that can be ordered at cargo but nobody ever uses it

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:20 pm #172555

Meh, eguns are pretty shitty if you get caught in CQC

Davidchan · Post by **Davidchan** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:22 pm #172556

So long as the eguns in the armory are replaced with Laser rifles or something, it's supposed to be 6 officers 6 lethals for when shit goes south.

Otherwise it actually sounds like a decent idea.

Lumbermancer · Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:27 pm

Why would civilian heads of staff carry carbine-sized guns in the first place? Create new laser pistols, similar to the pulse pistol that ert gets, for self defense.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:14 pm #172562

The eguns are clearly pistol sized, that's why you only need one hand to use them.

Incomptinence · Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:16 pm

Shoot the plebs heads of staff forever.

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:36 pm #172565

HELLO CARGO DISABLERS!

with the shitty Old egun sprite AKA pistol sized

Lumbermancer · Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:37 pm

Cheimon wrote:The eguns are clearly pistol sized, that's why you only need one hand to use them.

Come on. It's clearly a FAMAS. Maybe Uzi, but it still has forward grip for two hand use. It's clearly not pistol sized. Ion rifle has largest sprite and you use it with one hand as well so lets not split hairs.

Davidchan · Post by **Davidchan** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:53 pm #172568

Well the HoP gets one, and he's clearly a fucking civ. And the fit on instead of belts, shotguns can't do that so they are smaller than that.

Lumbermancer · Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:59 pm

Yeah, and the consensus seems to be that egun is too powerful to have 3 more pieces floating in the wild with other heads, and getting removed from the armory. So lets just give all heads laser handguns instead. It's fancy.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:02 pm #172572

I don't see no fuckin' consensus out there.
Make a poll.

Incomptinence · Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:06 pm

Disablers aren't that much more dangerous than lasers. Often it is better to kill/crit than to hog tie when the shot amounts are that similar to reach either state.

Lumbermancer · Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:29 pm

Here, I made Laser Pistol sprite. Totally original work do not steal.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:32 pm #172578

Lumbermancer wrote:Here, I made Laser Pistol sprite. Totally original work do not steal.

Hey that's mine!

Well, Paprika added the hand guard.

Do the other head's of staff really need a personal gun on them at round start though?

Lumbermancer · Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:33 pm

Steelpoint wrote:Do the other head's of staff really need a personal gun on them at round start though?

I don't know. My point is that if you want all Heads to have a gun, it should be something more appropriate and unique (and maybe not as powerful) as Egun.

TheNightingale · Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:57 pm

Here's an idea - disabler pistols. They only shoot disablers (and less than a hybrid taser), but they're small items so you can fit them in your pocket.

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:08 pm #172585

Steelpoint wrote:
Lumbermancer wrote:Here, I made Laser Pistol sprite. Totally original work do not steal.

Hey that's mine!

Well, Paprika added the hand guard.

Do the other head's of staff really need a personal gun on them at round start though?

Lumbermancer wrote:Here, I made Laser Pistol sprite. Totally original work do not steal.

Shit sprite

The grip is too small
We have 5 fingers, not 3

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:20 pm #172587

I just want laser pistols to be a thing, I don't care where or how.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:25 pm #172588

No. I advise you walk in the opposite direction of this, address the reasons that lead to this kind of solution.

Post by **Cobby** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:50 pm #172593

Ezel wrote:HELLO CARGO DISABLERS!

with the shitty Old egun sprite AKA pistol sized

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:57 pm #172595

Just give the other Heads shitty little disablers tbh

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:22 pm #172598

In theory it sounds like a good idea, with heads of staff being able to deal with shitters, but in actuality it's just going to be heads of staff antags going on massive murderbones with laser guns because of course they would.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:58 pm #172606

yackemflam wrote:
We have 5 fingers, not 3

ahem spessmen have no visible fingers, they have a single mitten-like handpart

kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Sun May 01, 2016 2:34 am #172711

Personally the telebaton is the most powerful weapon in the game if you use it right.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sun May 01, 2016 3:03 am #172724

Screemonster wrote:It'd maybe help the CMO last more than two seconds in rev.

Only a shitty CMO doesn't last less that 2 seconds.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sun May 01, 2016 3:04 am #172725

Scott wrote:No. I advise you walk in the opposite direction of this, address the reasons that lead to this kind of solution.

We can't code player nature

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Sun May 01, 2016 8:07 am #172764

Ezel wrote:HELLO CARGO DISABLERS!

with the shitty Old egun sprite AKA pistol sized

This guy's basically got it. Give the heads a sort of self recharging disabler. For most cases, I don't think the heads really need to be running around with lethal weapons. A disabler that automatically recharges itself over time though, would definitely come in handy without being too over the top while also complimenting the telescopic baton as a stun weapon designed more for quickly booting people out of your department.

Davidchan wrote:Well the HoP gets one, and he's clearly a fucking civ. And the fit on instead of belts, shotguns can't do that so they are smaller than that.

Isn't the HoP basically the second in the chain of command if the captain dies? If so, it makes sense that he gets an egun.

Ezel · Post by **Ezel** » Sun May 01, 2016 8:53 am #172772

Jacough wrote:
Ezel wrote:HELLO CARGO DISABLERS!

with the shitty Old egun sprite AKA pistol sized

the guy above me wrote:This guy's basically got it. Give the heads a sort of self recharging disabler. For most cases, I don't think the heads really need to be running around with lethal weapons. A disabler that automatically recharges itself over time though, would definitely come in handy without being too over the top while also complimenting

It shouldnt auto recharge then it be OP heads have access to their department sec checkpoint anyways so they can recharge here

Incomptinence · Sun May 01, 2016 9:24 am

Give the heads of staff a console that gibs their workers and give the captain a console that gibs the heads of staff.

As borg detractors have taught us such a machine is near inconsequential and everything will be fine.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Sun May 01, 2016 2:24 pm #172806

Lumbermancer wrote:
Cheimon wrote:The eguns are clearly pistol sized, that's why you only need one hand to use them.
Come on. It's clearly a FAMAS. Maybe Uzi, but it still has forward grip for two hand use. It's clearly not pistol sized. Ion rifle has largest sprite and you use it with one hand as well so lets not split hairs.

What? It's just a chunky pistol. It looks nothing like a famas. The ion rifle is a fair point though, but at least that looks like a rifle and you can't shove it in your backpack. Here:

Spoiler:

Lumbermancer · Sun May 01, 2016 2:36 pm

Pistols don't have collapsible stocks dude.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun May 01, 2016 3:14 pm #172812

But MP7's do.

Make it so.

Lumbermancer · Sun May 01, 2016 3:23 pm

Sure, but I rest my case.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun May 01, 2016 3:26 pm #172815

Its the future.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Sun May 01, 2016 3:38 pm #172817

Steelpoint wrote:But MP7's do.

Make it so.

Yes! This is it! Now that you mention it, the energy gun is clearly based on an MP7.

That is to say, a machine pistol. It looks just like one, apart from the sights and ammunition display.

Spoiler:

Lumbermancer · Sun May 01, 2016 5:22 pm

Sure. That's why handgun should be a sidearm.

Head of Personnel with Security Officer in maintenance:

Spoiler:

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun May 01, 2016 5:43 pm #172840

Gorman was by no means the HoP.

That job went to the corporate lackey who also attended this clusterfuck.

Gun Hog · Post by **Gun Hog** » Sun May 01, 2016 5:53 pm #172844

I think an egun for each head is a fine assistant removal tool, as well as being able to actually demote people on their own.

Screemonster · Sun May 01, 2016 9:18 pm

DemonFiren wrote:Gorman was by no means the HoP.

That job went to the corporate lackey who also attended this clusterfuck.

Gorman was the utter condom captain who logged in once, waited a few weeks, then set captain to high as soon as the playerage lock cleared because he wanted to be the leader.
Carter Burke was definitely tatorhop.

Mon May 02, 2016 12:36 am

I don't know about this. HoP gets a gun and you see HoPcurity shitters pretty frequently. I don't wanna see CMOcurity or CEcurity.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Mon May 02, 2016 1:07 am #172941

With the firing pins, RD doesn't need a disabler anyway

Hint, hint.

Davidchan · Post by **Davidchan** » Mon May 02, 2016 6:36 am #172993

HoPcurity spawns more from the all access, they used to have sec channel on their headsets but that's gone. Cecurity happens a fair bit anyways between telebaton, stunprod and cable cuffs, and we still have CMOs who will hellmix anyone who pisses them off valid or not.

If getting a free gun was all people cared about bartender would always be filled, its usually open or the barkeep is braindead in his backroom twenty minutes into the shift.

I also hardly see how an egun is too powerful, you get just enough shots to kill one person or crit two, where as the cap and hos both have self charging guns AND a backup egun.