/tg/Station 13

ShadowDimentio wrote:If you actually got banned for ghosting out of a sec punishment you need to make a complaint because that's not okay. I bet there was another, better reason though.

Saegrimr wrote:"Banned for 60 minutes - You know what, don't threaten to ahelp someone in IC chat and then ghost out. Seriously?"

Good job.

Kor wrote:If you need to leave as a head of staff or antagonist tell an admin first.

Otherwise just leave whenever.

Krusvik wrote:

Kor wrote:If you need to leave as a head of staff or antagonist tell an admin first.

Otherwise just leave whenever.

Pretty much this, just to confirm.

Okand37 wrote:AI.

Saegrimr wrote:Pretty sure we've had thing about ghosting out when implanted from conversion rounds but fuck me if anything is coherent.

TehPear wrote:

Saegrimr wrote:Pretty sure we've had thing about ghosting out when implanted from conversion rounds but fuck me if anything is coherent.

Yeah. Ghosting out after being implanted by command/sec is pretty much the same as ghosting out after being converted to a team antagonist.

Iatots wrote:

TehPear wrote:

Saegrimr wrote:Pretty sure we've had thing about ghosting out when implanted from conversion rounds but fuck me if anything is coherent.

Yeah. Ghosting out after being implanted by command/sec is pretty much the same as ghosting out after being converted to a team antagonist.

You mean ghosting out after being implanted, right?

Bob Dobbington wrote:What I do when I see ahelps about braindead / AFK converts/team antags is offer their mobs up to ghosts. That way, some ghost gets free antag and the syndicate cultvolution isn't out a team member. It's a win-win for everyone. Maybe we should have a policy of it being okay to ask for that if you don't wish to play your antag role, and then publicise that policy. We already do self requested antag bans; don't those effectively do the same thing of kicking you out of your mob and offering it to ghosts? I imagine coderbus could even automate the process.

Weepo wrote:Basically I just copped an hourban because some shitheel admin was looking for an excuse after I ghosted out on his security power trip, I gotta wonder, when is it ok to ghost, officially? I know ghosting is fine to do as any random assistant, means nothing if you just ghost in your office or whatnot.

But is ghosting out in the brig / permabrig after getting arrested, thus denying some sec officer his ERP opportunities so wrong? See I was under the impression ghosting was ok to do any time whenever because honestly, why wouldn't it be? Its not good, it kicks you out of your body, its basically 'the fun stops here for me' which is usually why you use it. If some nerd is locking you down in the maint tunnels with handcuffs and keeping you morphined? Ghost out, if you're being 'arrested' for half an hour by security, getting dragged around / buckled to make sure you don't get a chance to resist, just ghost. If you got cuffed by beepsky and the clown is dragging you around handcuffed making sure you can't leave and the admins aren't helping you, just ghost.

But I guess what I'm asking / saying is that there needs to a ghosting policy. Even if it is just 'yeah its ok to ghost whenever' or 'don't ghost while arrested unless you're absolutely sure they've forgotten about you' or whatever.

BeeSting12 wrote:I always laugh at people who threaten ahelps IC and then double their punishment. It's like the biggest sign that someone's from hippie.

bandit wrote:Our ghosting policy is fine but I don't like this trend of using policy discussion as ban appeals.

oranges wrote:trying to apply rules to ghosting is bad because you can't force someone to play the game when they don't want to

Lumbermancer wrote:

oranges wrote:trying to apply rules to ghosting is bad because you can't force someone to play the game when they don't want to

You clearly can, it's also really easy to not play if you don't want to play.

oranges wrote:No you can't, I can just go afk and stop playing rather than ghost, same net effect.

oranges wrote:

Lumbermancer wrote:

oranges wrote:trying to apply rules to ghosting is bad because you can't force someone to play the game when they don't want to

You clearly can, it's also really easy to not play if you don't want to play.

No you can't, I can just go afk and stop playing rather than ghost, same net effect.

I can close the game and say it was a network fault and you can't prove otherwise for trying to enforce bans.

You can't force someone to play the game if they dont' want to, that's silly.

TehPear wrote:

bandit wrote:Our ghosting policy is fine but I don't like this trend of using policy discussion as ban appeals.

Also complaints. To be honest I should can this thread but it did bring attention to making rule five more clear. Even if the thread was some pseudo admin complaint.

Shadowlight213 wrote:

oranges wrote:

Lumbermancer wrote:

oranges wrote:trying to apply rules to ghosting is bad because you can't force someone to play the game when they don't want to

You clearly can, it's also really easy to not play if you don't want to play.

No you can't, I can just go afk and stop playing rather than ghost, same net effect.

I can close the game and say it was a network fault and you can't prove otherwise for trying to enforce bans.

You can't force someone to play the game if they dont' want to, that's silly.

Ghosting and closing the game are two completely different things.
Unlike closing the game, you are still observing the round and interacting with other people in deadchat. You are still PLAYING THE GAME. You are playing as a ghost.
Plus, now we have tons of ghost roles that let you hop back in as something else.
I mean, if ghosting put you in nullspace and disabled your ghost hearing and talking, then maybe it would be the same thing.

kevinz000 wrote:

Weepo wrote:Basically I just copped an hourban because some shitheel admin was looking for an excuse after I ghosted out on his security power trip, I gotta wonder, when is it ok to ghost, officially? I know ghosting is fine to do as any random assistant, means nothing if you just ghost in your office or whatnot.

But is ghosting out in the brig / permabrig after getting arrested, thus denying some sec officer his ERP opportunities so wrong? See I was under the impression ghosting was ok to do any time whenever because honestly, why wouldn't it be? Its not good, it kicks you out of your body, its basically 'the fun stops here for me' which is usually why you use it. If some nerd is locking you down in the maint tunnels with handcuffs and keeping you morphined? Ghost out, if you're being 'arrested' for half an hour by security, getting dragged around / buckled to make sure you don't get a chance to resist, just ghost. If you got cuffed by beepsky and the clown is dragging you around handcuffed making sure you can't leave and the admins aren't helping you, just ghost.

But I guess what I'm asking / saying is that there needs to a ghosting policy. Even if it is just 'yeah its ok to ghost whenever' or 'don't ghost while arrested unless you're absolutely sure they've forgotten about you' or whatever.

1. I was not playing that round, and admins do not handle their own ahelps.
2. You threatened "higher action" against someone in game. OOC in IC, threatening ahelps
3. I told you to stop, you blew up and yelled at me in all caps
4. Told you to drop your attitude
5. "Fuck this", ghosted out1
While I will admit a ban wasn't completely necessary, you do need to calm down, and not misrepresent the situation.
If some random schmuck ghosted out I probably wouldn't care. If they did it just to roll for antag, or if they're doing it all the time as a job role, I might. If you ghost out in permabrig, I wouldn't care. Causing shit and ghost out in brig is a different case but that's just more for causing shit and leaving when it comes back to you. Threatening to ahelp someone IC and then blowing up in the admin's face when told to stop that and then ghosting out? That's different.

Weepo wrote:

kevinz000 wrote:

Weepo wrote:Basically I just copped an hourban because some shitheel admin was looking for an excuse after I ghosted out on his security power trip, I gotta wonder, when is it ok to ghost, officially? I know ghosting is fine to do as any random assistant, means nothing if you just ghost in your office or whatnot.

But is ghosting out in the brig / permabrig after getting arrested, thus denying some sec officer his ERP opportunities so wrong? See I was under the impression ghosting was ok to do any time whenever because honestly, why wouldn't it be? Its not good, it kicks you out of your body, its basically 'the fun stops here for me' which is usually why you use it. If some nerd is locking you down in the maint tunnels with handcuffs and keeping you morphined? Ghost out, if you're being 'arrested' for half an hour by security, getting dragged around / buckled to make sure you don't get a chance to resist, just ghost. If you got cuffed by beepsky and the clown is dragging you around handcuffed making sure you can't leave and the admins aren't helping you, just ghost.

But I guess what I'm asking / saying is that there needs to a ghosting policy. Even if it is just 'yeah its ok to ghost whenever' or 'don't ghost while arrested unless you're absolutely sure they've forgotten about you' or whatever.

1. I was not playing that round, and admins do not handle their own ahelps.
2. You threatened "higher action" against someone in game. OOC in IC, threatening ahelps
3. I told you to stop, you blew up and yelled at me in all caps
4. Told you to drop your attitude
5. "Fuck this", ghosted out1
While I will admit a ban wasn't completely necessary, you do need to calm down, and not misrepresent the situation.
If some random schmuck ghosted out I probably wouldn't care. If they did it just to roll for antag, or if they're doing it all the time as a job role, I might. If you ghost out in permabrig, I wouldn't care. Causing shit and ghost out in brig is a different case but that's just more for causing shit and leaving when it comes back to you. Threatening to ahelp someone IC and then blowing up in the admin's face when told to stop that and then ghosting out? That's different.

Hey look its said shitheel admin, I said I was' communicating with a higher power', yaknow, in order to explain IC why I wasn't responding to the asshole hitting me as opposed to the asshole talking to me in my head. You told me to 'drop the attitude' after getting all bitchy at me despite me being the one requesting help than you banned me for ghosting along with a bunch of other made up bullshit and now you're accusing me of 'misrepresenting' out of hand without proof.

Why the fuck are you like this?

Weepo wrote:No but if I'm a sec officer and I wanna get my jollies beating a 2d spaceman and they ghost out on me how will I cum?

Weepo wrote:Hey look its said shitheel admin, I said I was' communicating with a higher power', yaknow, in order to explain IC why I wasn't responding to the asshole hitting me as opposed to the asshole talking to me in my head. You told me to 'drop the attitude' after getting all bitchy at me despite me being the one requesting help than you banned me for ghosting along with a bunch of other made up bullshit and now you're accusing me of 'misrepresenting' out of hand without proof.

Why the fuck are you like this?

1. HOW LONG IS THE BAN? IF IT'S LESS THAN A DAY, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU EVEN APPEAL IT? IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A FUCKING COLICKY INFANT SHITTING ALL OVER THE BOARD AND TRYING TO STIR UP A FIGHT. SIT OUT OF SPACEMANS FOR A COUPLE HOURS, YOU TITHEAD (or join another server).

TheNightingale wrote:I might be in the minority here, but I don't think the length of the ban matters when appealing it. If the ban is invalid, it shouldn't be given at all (it's a permanent note on someone's record), so appealing a short ban isn't about "hey can you let me play faster" so much as the principle of it.

Weepo wrote:Hey look its said shitheel admin, I said I was' communicating with a higher power', yaknow, in order to explain IC why I wasn't responding to the asshole hitting me as opposed to the asshole talking to me in my head. You told me to 'drop the attitude' after getting all bitchy at me despite me being the one requesting help than you banned me for ghosting along with a bunch of other made up bullshit and now you're accusing me of 'misrepresenting' out of hand without proof.

Why the fuck are you like this?