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please, explain

Super Aggro Crag wrote:please, explain

I want to bring the Ban Request section back, what more is there to explain?

Please for the love of god, yes.

There was some serious shit going on, on basil today with some shit curity, and with admins being AFK when MSO (Thank god) logged in began investigating, I also forgot to mention loller had to come on and help with the first situation too.

sirnat it wasn't shitcurity and the fact that you suicided, posibrained, and immediately tried to rescue the person who attacked security when they arrested you and attacked sec when you failed to is incredibly fucking shitty and meta m'dude, take a chill pill.

The admins arguments against it didn't make much sense to me

"They're always full of bad ban requests with lots of comments"

Just be more close happy and that problem should fix itself.

give me the funny space man drama
judge judy in space 2016

Super Aggro Crag wrote:sirnat it wasn't shitcurity and the fact that you suicided, posibrained, and immediately tried to rescue the person who attacked security when they arrested you and attacked sec when you failed to is incredibly fucking shitty and meta m'dude, take a chill pill.

Actually I didn't try to rescue anyone, I heard someone got sent to the gulag (Guess what its borked) I checked around the gulag only to find a goliath, maybe get yer facts straight m'boy

It does bother me that we have no means of recourse if an admin lets something slide and we want to dispute that

Well I guess technically you could make a admin complaint for that specific thing.

As it is all this has done is moved the ban requests into all the other forums.

Having a centralized place for this sort of complain/posts seems like a good idea though, especially since some admins are not very fond of the idea of transparency and you have no idea if they actually enforced the rules and in what way or if they high-fived the offending player behind your back. If there was more transparency and more importantly communication between players and admins when it comes to adminhelp then we may not need a section for this. But from my experience you usually have to adminhelp twice to even get an aknowledgement and often the conversation just stops at some point without giving any resolution and if you ask what happened you may or may not get an answer, depending on the admin.

Plus, despite there being many more admins (at least it feels like this to me with many names I don't recognize) there surely are still times without admins available, without a place to report bad behavior it would be difficult to punish players who break the rules while no one is looking.

Or we start having player feedback threads... (that's a joke, just imagine the drama)

sirnat wrote:

Super Aggro Crag wrote:sirnat it wasn't shitcurity and the fact that you suicided, posibrained, and immediately tried to rescue the person who attacked security when they arrested you and attacked sec when you failed to is incredibly fucking shitty and meta m'dude, take a chill pill.

Actually I didn't try to rescue anyone, I heard someone got sent to the gulag (Guess what its borked) I checked around the gulag only to find a goliath, maybe get yer facts straight m'boy

gulags been functional for a week, don't pretend your asimov laws behoove you to immediately jog your ass to the gulag to "check it out".

Have logs of an adamantine golem announcing "I AM DEATH" and attacking me as soon as I create it, have nowhere to put them and have someone banned for clear and obvious rule-breaking because no admins were online and no-one answered my ahelp when the event occured. Yes please.

Maybe we should just let go

I think this is the new system

Tbh they should just add it back for real, I don't think people are ready to write a whole essay in adminhelp about what a person did and it's just really annoying together to do it in such a small chatbox, plus if you adminhelp about and and you want the other side of the story you have to either wait for that person to come online or just ban them straight on without even hearing what they have to say and that is why the "Ban Request" is so usefull, you can write every exact detail about it, others can either confirm that he is wrong or right and all that. bring back ban request 2k16

Bring back Ban Requests so I can have some entertaining TEEGEE DRAMA

kevinz000 wrote:Bring back Ban Requests so I can have some entertaining TEEGEE DRAMA

Yes.

op i s a fag and so is sirnat

Who is even voting no? How many admins do we have?

I still don't get what was so hard about actually handling the MAX 1 or 2 ban requests that were made in a week.

The idea was to have more shit sorted out IC, because the biggest transgressions are usually handled on the spot through ahelp anyway.

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>before it was closed
>hey there's a frankly petty grievance here from days, weeks, or even months ago
>let's look through logs of it from days, weeks, or even months ago
>let's try to chase up witnesses from days, weeks, or even months ago and get them to post here or register to post here so they can post here
>let's try to piece something together that happened days, weeks, or even months ago
>let's willingly involve ourselves with salt and drama that should have been forgotten days, weeks, or even months ago but wasn't

do you feel entitled to an online stranger doing all of the above for you, not even ingame

maybe that feeling of entitlement and inability to let salt go is why ban requests is gone

maybe that salty entitlement was why admins refused to touch ban requests since the dawn of time

Are you saying you need a better way to look up logs?

I'm telling it like it is, not asking for things, questions, rebuttals or more salt.

Now if you invented some sort of remote online method to doze a person with drugs to turn them into an emotionless husk of a person unable to be salty, yes I'd ask for that. Until then.

imblyings wrote:>before it was closed
>hey there's a frankly petty grievance here from days, weeks, or even months ago
>let's look through logs of it from days, weeks, or even months ago
>let's try to chase up witnesses from days, weeks, or even months ago and get them to post here or register to post here so they can post here
>let's try to piece something together that happened days, weeks, or even months ago
>let's willingly involve ourselves with salt and drama that should have been forgotten days, weeks, or even months ago but wasn't

do you feel entitled to an online stranger doing all of the above for you, not even ingame

maybe that feeling of entitlement and inability to let salt go is why ban requests is gone

maybe that salty entitlement was why admins refused to touch ban requests since the dawn of time

"do you feel that the people who signed up to do a hard job should do that job"

why yes i do think so too.

doing it for free is not an excuse buddy.

imblyings wrote:>before it was closed
>hey there's a frankly petty grievance here from days, weeks, or even months ago
>let's look through logs of it from days, weeks, or even months ago
>let's try to chase up witnesses from days, weeks, or even months ago and get them to post here or register to post here so they can post here
>let's try to piece something together that happened days, weeks, or even months ago
>let's willingly involve ourselves with salt and drama that should have been forgotten days, weeks, or even months ago but wasn't

do you feel entitled to an online stranger doing all of the above for you, not even ingame

maybe that feeling of entitlement and inability to let salt go is why ban requests is gone

maybe that salty entitlement was why admins refused to touch ban requests since the dawn of time

hey lets not let that shit linger for weeks and just actually solve it when it is posted.

every time someone calls this a job an angel get its wings

a shame the hard job admins sign up to do only involves the mandatory task of logging into irc when adminning and literally nothing else, otherwise you might have had a case there

TechnoAlchemist wrote:every time someone calls this a job an angel get its wings

let me further pinpoint what i mean:

I hope i dont need to explain this to you friend, i hope that your narrow intellect is enough to get what I mean.
let me put it in big writing to help you friend

thank you and god bless

@implyings
wow great even i could do that!!!!!!!!!

here i was thinking an admin was to help police the server and ban wrongdoers, but in reality, its just a special cool club with a cool purple title, complete with a stick in your ass attitude that means everything you and your cohort come up with is the literal fucking gospel. but yeah youre right with such great admining choices such as removing ban requests and banning erp you guys are truly striking at what is wrong with this server.

it's not the fact that roleplay is nigh on non existent. it's not the fact that we are literally advertising on hub thus comprimising a large front of what /tg/ was all about. no its the fucking ERP and the fucking ban thread. good job you fucking goons.

Colonic, stop shitposting, only people who pay and have this effect them can shitpost about it
Neither applies to you

He's still right, though.

NikNakFlak wrote:Colonic, stop shitposting, only people who pay and have this effect them can shitpost about it
Neither applies to you

which makes it even worse when i, who hasn't played in weeks, can tell you that it's a shitty fucking thing when admins think all they have to do is just log on to IRC, join some rounds, give honorary reach arounds to the current top dog, and then think they're actually doing something. the worse thing is that they have the fucking gall to then post like they're fixing the server. no you're not, youre putting pretty little window dressings to make the server look like a kickin' rad place to be when in fact you're covering up literally fucking manure.

but please do censor me, just like the last time when i called out aranclanos on being retarded you clowns all decided to also remove those posts because i called him mean names.

at first i was worried about the ban request forum being removed because i liked laughing at the shitflinging and drama but i have to say since it's removal i've become basically unbannable and can grief as much as I want and it is pretty fun!

NikNakFlak wrote:Wow, you're a faggot

ColonicAcid wrote:

NikNakFlak wrote:Colonic, stop shitposting, only people who pay and have this effect them can shitpost about it
Neither applies to you

which makes it even worse when i, who hasn't played in weeks, can tell you that it's a shitty fucking thing when admins think all they have to do is just log on to IRC, join some rounds, give honorary reach arounds to the current top dog, and then think they're actually doing something. the worse thing is that they have the fucking gall to then post like they're fixing the server. no you're not, youre putting pretty little window dressings to make the server look like a kickin' rad place to be when in fact you're covering up literally fucking manure.

but please do censor me, just like the last time when i called out aranclanos on being retarded you clowns all decided to also remove those posts because i called him mean names.

Someone please delete this post

MOM BRING ME MORE HOT POCKETS

sticks and stones will break my bones and so will colonics mean words ((

So they are coming back? I need my doses of drama

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... ead#unread

anyone going to talk about this or nah?

im actually gobsmacked.

this is stupidy in another whole level. you literally refused to do your job because you couldn't be bothered. like man i dunno what to tell you anymore this is a fucking clown show at the highest degree good fucking job. you're all little more than glorified tech support it looks like.

"i could do my job... or instead i could be a condescending asshole. I mean this matter may take some time to fix but in the end it'll make the server a better place, but instead I'm going to tell this guy that he's an idiot in the nicest possible way because he dared ask admins to do their job. Who do they think I am? A volunteer to ensure that the server stays a palatable place? HAH WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT."

Colonic has a point. This makes it so that the only people who can really respond to grief are those who are invested in the community. This means that basil is fucked since they're all hubbies.

On a phone so I am going to keep this short(ish) and not reply post by post.

Discouraging, or at least not enabling, a culture of ridiculous grudge holding and petty retaliation is in fact an important step for the overall health of the community.

The potential IC "damage" caused by "wrong doers" (in a game primarily about things being blown up anyway) is a small price to pay for shutting down a frankly embarassing source of drama.

But don't take it from me, listen to your fellow players asking for it back. Half of them are saying upfront they only want it back to laugh at you.

I put in plenty of time and effort to make the game fun both in coding and dealing with ingame adminhelps. Engaging in stupid public shit flinging matches about video game crime for people to gawk at is not high on my to-do list.

Or just let people in the community laugh at people who are making ban requests for extremely petty shit rather than ban them with the anon3mendment.

People still hold the grudges. Removing ban requests will not improve the community, its just an excuse the admins are using so they can avoid interacting with that side of the community. Bring back ban requests, if some admins want to shrug their duties and avoid the place, they are welcome to do so. Let the admins that actually want to do their job handle it at their own discretion.

But hey at this point i expect nothing less from /tg/ admins.

Why aren't we discouraging wrongdoing in the first place, rather than ignoring it? Brushing misdeeds under the rug doesn't make them go away, and if there's no repercussions to an act, that act will be done more often. Even just a "don't do this" would suffice - it's not the severity of punishment that deters criminals, it's the certainty - but if people can do anything they like, avoid IC repercussions due to robustness, and OOC repercussions because the admins aren't doing anything... then what's the point in having rules in the first place?
To punish transgressions, they have to be brought to light; the ban requests forum was a medium through which to do that. It's precisely because it was public that it's used - there's pressure on the admins to actually do something when there's an open thread. If the only people who know about a rulebreaker are the admins, the public eye isn't watching to see their response; and when someone breaks the rules, we need to visibly see them punished, to act as a deterrent to other rulebreakers.

hello yes

i'd post a lengthy piece about the vocal majority being bitter, red-faced babies flooding every means of feedback with their hateful tear-rivers in their seemingly endless march to make everything bannable but this opinion should logically be in the minority

literally nobody cares

whoa

bryce pax is just icepacks but with a br in front

captain sawrge wrote:bryce pax is just icepacks but with a br in front

that would be brice pax you fucking mongoloid holy shit

some people god they are not the same person you idiot