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Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:55 pm
by WarbossLincoln

Bottom post of the previous page:

Thread title.

Naming policy is so subjective and so arbitrarily enforced that there doesn't really seem to be a need for it at all.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=20628

In this thread a dude got ordered to change his cat beast's name from DePantherius X and was told that was a ridiculous name.

Is DePantherius X for a cat any more ridiculous than Cup Cake, Crocodillo, Gayden Homolove, Good Goodman, Tyrone Watermelon, Is-A-Lizard, Lamp Lover, Chad Thundercock, Pushes-And-Shoves, or any of the other degenerates we have running around the station?

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:43 am
by LadyAri
oranges wrote:
Nilons wrote:
oranges wrote:
Nilons wrote:
oranges wrote:[Common] Lady Ari says, "Yes, some gay scientist, with a majorly small penis, micro even, kept bragging about it, world breaking small he'd say, changed my identity, kept me in a lab, some kinda basement forever, he used our new genetic machines in order to change me into a man to fit his sick desires, luckily nanotrasen was able to provide me with the tools necessary to be myself"
where in that do they mention subject specifically
Really nilons
What about this is specific to subject and not the headmin that instructed him to ban them

I get where youre coming from but you cant really expect to have a point here when youre basing it entirely on an inference at best and an assumption at worse
DOes it matter which of the admin team they're abusing you dumb fucking mongloid?

They're human garbage and I would have put them out to trash long ago if I was allowed.
You don't know me for shit man. The only garbage here is your lying whore mouth that got called out homie. You accused me over and over of harassing subject but you couldn't come up with proof so bam, you change your fucking reasoning. And who the fuck am I abusing by saying something like that in a PRAYER? Are you that fucking retarded man? Jesus christ get a grip kid. (i mean get a grip mongoloid ;) )

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:44 am
by oranges
You're mentally braindead if you think that wouldn't be seen as an abuse of the admin who banned you by sending prays and radio chat like that.

But I guess that fits with your profile up until now so I'm not suprised.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:46 am
by LadyAri
oranges wrote:You're mentally braindead if you think that wouldn't be seen as an abuse of the admin who banned you by sending prays and radio chat like that.

But I guess that fits with your profile up until now so I'm not suprised.
"blah blah blah I said you did X but I got called out and now I'm saying you did Y"

I didn't harass anybody, or target anybody like YOU claimed. So again, you can fuck right off dumb dumb.

And seriously, I'm not gonna keep derailing this thread like this. I didn't want to but if you're just gonna lie and make it seem like i went in day in day out to harass some admins you're a fucking lying bitch dude.

Done with you.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:48 am
by oranges
You harrassed subject, with prays and radio chat because you were upset over the identity ban.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:49 am
by Nilons
oranges wrote:
Nilons wrote:
oranges wrote:
Nilons wrote:
oranges wrote:[Common] Lady Ari says, "Yes, some gay scientist, with a majorly small penis, micro even, kept bragging about it, world breaking small he'd say, changed my identity, kept me in a lab, some kinda basement forever, he used our new genetic machines in order to change me into a man to fit his sick desires, luckily nanotrasen was able to provide me with the tools necessary to be myself"
where in that do they mention subject specifically
Really nilons
What about this is specific to subject and not the headmin that instructed him to ban them

I get where youre coming from but you cant really expect to have a point here when youre basing it entirely on an inference at best and an assumption at worse
DOes it matter which of the admin team they're abusing you dumb fucking mongloid?
It does matter when you're literally trying to call them out on lying but didn't read the logs you were posting before you posted them

If your problem is them being mean to admins grow a thicker skin, if its them being mean to specifically subject thats not what happened and the logs YOU posted prove otherwise

Getting upset and doubling down on your mistake just looks silly

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:51 am
by oranges
I have a thick skin, but they are the one whining about nobody stepping up to defend them when they've been treating the admin responsible for their identity ban poorly lmao.

So in summary, they're literally dumb, they went out of their way to make a drama about the admin in question in an IC and pray fashion and then made it worse for themself, when there were several admins willing to go to bat for them and now they are not, so they're gonna have to wait until the policy issue is resolved instead of being unbanned earlier.

You can pretend they were talking about "nobody" as much as you want nilons but no admin agrees that that is what they were doing. We all know they were directing that at subject.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:55 am
by Nilons
You're not entirely wrong and I wish they wouldn't make this all so dramatic and tantrumy but the point remains that which admin they were referring to is purely conjecture and you can believe what you want but it doesnt change that

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:57 am
by LadyAri
oranges wrote:You harrassed subject, with prays and radio chat because you were upset over the identity ban.
I been over this, no I didn't. I didn't harass anyone by saying that, I just wanted my shit back and took a light jab at the ghost admin that banned me. Just because you're mentally challenged enough to misconstrue that as harassing someone DAY TO DAY doesn't make it true, if anything, it was an extremely immature way to address the situation, but hey the first time i did it I got an immediate response.

"You hear a voice in your head... I know you're bullshitting but I don't really care. Hold on."

And they changed me back. If anything asshole, critique me for not being original and trying the same prayer another 3 or 5 times, but hey it fucking worked the first time you sensitive prick.

Subject217 can stand up for them selves too. They don't need you chiming in here fucking derailing this shit. I've already apologized to them because I feel bad that this shit got into their thread, it SUCKS that that gets brought up, he just did his job and he explained that to me as he was banning me, i get it, not upset with the guy even remotely, but I guess I'm just human garbage right so of course I wouldn't do something like that?

You lied and you got caught yo, end of story bugger off.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:57 am
by oranges
Hahah come off it you fucking spoon, they were whining about their identity ban, placed by subject, and referring to it being done by a "small dicked scientist" put 2 and 2 together and you get 4. Nobody is going to believe this bullshit line you're selling about it not being subject that they were talking about.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:59 am
by LadyAri
oranges wrote:I have a thick skin, but they are the one whining about nobody stepping up to defend them when they've been treating the admin responsible for their identity ban poorly lmao.

So in summary, they're literally dumb, they went out of their way to make a drama about the admin in question in an IC and pray fashion and then made it worse for themself, when there were several admins willing to go to bat for them and now they are not, so they're gonna have to wait until the policy issue is resolved instead of being unbanned earlier.

You can pretend they were talking about "nobody" as much as you want nilons but no admin agrees that that is what they were doing. We all know they were directing that at subject.
You're lying man. No i didn't. You got called out, and now you're embarrassed as fuck lol.

No I wasn't, I have no fucking issue with subject. Only the ghost admin that couldn't even tell me a reason as to why its banned. (Something you can't do either, because you're actually legitimately retarded.)

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:00 am
by oranges
hahah yeah you were just saying those things for roleplay right :^)

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:01 am
by iksyp
how fucking mad can you get over not being able to play one fucking character
just make a new one once your appearance ban is over you fucking toddler

i mean yeah i think the fact you were appearance banned for your name is quite shitty but you act like such an entitled bitch that i don't want to support you

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:01 am
by LadyAri
oranges wrote:hahah yeah you were just saying those things for roleplay right :^)
hahah yeah just keep saying i was totally targeting someone for days on end and getting called out on it :^)

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:03 am
by oranges
Well you see unlike you, I actually brought proof, you just brought the absurd argument that your little temper tantrums in pray and radio chat weren't about the admin who banned you, but you were just talking about "nobody" in particular lmao

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:04 am
by LadyAri
iksyp wrote:how fucking mad can you get over not being able to play one fucking character
just make a new one once your appearance ban is over you fucking toddler

i mean yeah i think the fact you were appearance banned for your name is quite shitty but you act like such an entitled bitch that i don't want to support you
I'm jamming out right now on a sunday, why would you ever think I'm mad? I've always typed this way, as evident by the many that say I'm an asshole right?

I have a lot of people here I love, and I'm also not a bitch man, so I'm gonna call bullshit out when its present.

I don't need your support either, or anyone's really, this is honestly so stupid I can see the conclusion from miles away. Sit back smile and laugh

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:05 am
by LadyAri
oranges wrote:Well you see unlike you, I actually brought proof, you just brought the absurd argument that your little temper tantrums in pray and radio chat weren't about the admin who banned you, but you were just talking about "nobody" in particular lmao
Oh, two prayers that I openly admitted to are evidence that I was harassing a specific admin on a day to day basis?

Man the leaps of logic you gotta take to sound that stupid must baffle most people.

also this is good:



More music please, we need to liven up the place.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:11 am
by iksyp
LadyAri wrote: why would you ever think I'm mad?
LadyAri wrote: So again, you can fuck right off dumb dumb.

And seriously, I'm not gonna keep derailing this thread like this. I didn't want to but if you're just gonna lie and make it seem like i went in day in day out to harass some admins you're a fucking lying bitch dude.

Done with you.
LadyAri wrote:No I wasn't, I have no fucking issue with subject. Only the ghost admin that couldn't even tell me a reason as to why its banned. (Something you can't do either, because you're actually legitimately retarded.)
LadyAri wrote:Man the leaps of logic you gotta take to sound that stupid must baffle most people.
so you're just trolling?

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:12 am
by LadyAri
iksyp wrote:
LadyAri wrote: why would you ever think I'm mad?
LadyAri wrote: So again, you can fuck right off dumb dumb.

And seriously, I'm not gonna keep derailing this thread like this. I didn't want to but if you're just gonna lie and make it seem like i went in day in day out to harass some admins you're a fucking lying bitch dude.

Done with you.
LadyAri wrote:No I wasn't, I have no fucking issue with subject. Only the ghost admin that couldn't even tell me a reason as to why its banned. (Something you can't do either, because you're actually legitimately retarded.)
LadyAri wrote:Man the leaps of logic you gotta take to sound that stupid must baffle most people.
so you're just trolling?
Nah man its just me. Threads derailed already, is that your dog? Man pet your dog every day and take em on walks every day, don't ever let em down they're too awesome for mankind. Imma go walk my dog right now.



anything ott is just awesome for walk music

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:14 am
by iksyp
yes it is my dog

either way there are only two real reasons to continue in an internet argument while insulting the other party:
you are trying to aggravate them or you are aggravated

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:17 am
by LadyAri
iksyp wrote:yes it is my dog

either way there are only two real reasons to continue in an internet argument while insulting the other party:
you are trying to aggravate them or you are aggravated
You're probably right. I mean id be lying if this wasn't frustrating at first, but I got over being upset pretty quickly after talking with Elynia. All's good though.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:08 am
by Higashikata Josuke
wesoda25 wrote:(post snipped)
While Lady may be more commonly known as an honorific, should we ban the surname King because the first thing that comes to mind when you hear it is K. Rool or Arthur rather than Stephen King? Yes, I'm biased; yes, Ari is my friend; no, it's not a bad fucking name. If Ari is bad, Dante should be bad. Naming yourself Gold should be bad because "people think of the material before the name!!". I'm not only against this because someone I'm cool with is being dicked down by it, I rolled my eyes at Oldman going through this shit as well and I think I've exchanged twenty words with him in three years.

Nilons is cool, but the name Ostrava of Nanotrasen has always been one that's made me roll my eyes. For the record I never felt the need to try and make him change it, nor have I shittalked him over it. I think at one point he was forced to change the name, so he went with Ostrava Nanotrasen, but now he's back to Ostrava of Nanotrasen again? Why the fuck are rulings so inconsistent? Why can there not be a proper agreement on anything?

If you want Lady Ari to be a bannable name, make your shit consistent and come up with clear guidelines and build consensus between admins. This shit is not nearly as hard to do as people are acting. Kill Oldman for being two dictionary words, Lexia Black for being a fake name and something more commonly known as a color, Gamma RY for not being a celestial body, Ostrava of Nanotrasen for being a firstname, fictional character, and improper name. Kill Chadwick Thundercock for being a blatant meme. Kill Dante for being an uncommon name.

Apply this shit evenly, to players you both like and dislike, or don't even fucking bother changing the policy. This isn't just a matter of the policy being poorly written, it's a matter of enforcement being fucking retardedly inconsistent on multiple levels.

Edit: snipping the post with a funny tagline isn't being antagonistic to someone you fucking manchild it's cutting down on thread size, stop editing my post
Spoiler:
oranges is fucking hilarious btw, i say this without the slightest hint of sarcasm or malice he's a hero

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:53 am
by iamgoofball
oranges wrote:Well you see unlike you, I actually brought proof, you just brought the absurd argument that your little temper tantrums in pray and radio chat weren't about the admin who banned you, but you were just talking about "nobody" in particular lmao
these name people are pretty stupid but you have to agree naming policy is dumb because the game itself breaks immersion far harder than names do

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:39 am
by Grazyn
If someone harasses admins or is an asshole in general then ban him for that instead of using minor policies to fuck with them so you don't have to deal with the shitshow of a rule 0 ban.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:21 am
by wubli
Higashikata Josuke wrote: While Lady may be more commonly known as an honorific, should we ban the surname King because the first thing that comes to mind when you hear it is K. Rool or Arthur rather than Stephen King? Yes, I'm biased; yes, Ari is my friend; no, it's not a bad fucking name. If Ari is bad, Dante should be bad. Naming yourself Gold should be bad because "people think of the material before the name!!". I'm not only against this because someone I'm cool with is being dicked down by it, I rolled my eyes at Oldman going through this shit as well and I think I've exchanged twenty words with him in three years.
i do not care for this discussion, but why are you calling them ari instead of lady if you call others by their first name. you're only make it seem like lady was actually a honorific instead of the first name
lady ari is fine anyways (for me) but keep that in mind if you want to help their case

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:31 am
by obscolene
Higashikata Josuke wrote:should we ban the surname King because the first thing that comes to mind when you hear it is K. Rool or Arthur rather than Stephen King?
the honorific 'king' doesn't come after the name dipshit

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:47 am
by Malkraz
wubli wrote:why are you calling them ari instead of lady if you call others by their first name. you're only make it seem like lady was actually a honorific instead of the first name
good catch

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:18 pm
by Qbmax32
Qbmax32 wrote:
Sometinyprick wrote:I honestly think we should just remove the whole naming policy and replace it with something along the lines of "just make sure your name is reasonable", I understand by doing it this way it's open to admin discrepancy but if someone appeals the ban I feel it's far better to discuss it in terms of "is this name reasonable and appropriate and is it really pissing people off/breaking immersion" rather than you broke rule x of this policy therefore you can't have that name regardless of how the rest of the players feel about it.
day one of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day two of reposting this until it becomes policy

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:04 pm
by WarbossLincoln
Damn I don't play or pay attention for like 4 days and this thread devolves this far.

I'm grabbing the wheel and pulling it back onto policy and not on personal attacks and shit flinging between lady ari, oranges, nilons, iksyp, and various others.
Qbmax32 wrote:
Qbmax32 wrote:
Sometinyprick wrote:I honestly think we should just remove the whole naming policy and replace it with something along the lines of "just make sure your name is reasonable", I understand by doing it this way it's open to admin discrepancy but if someone appeals the ban I feel it's far better to discuss it in terms of "is this name reasonable and appropriate and is it really pissing people off/breaking immersion" rather than you broke rule x of this policy therefore you can't have that name regardless of how the rest of the players feel about it.
day one of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day two of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day one of me reposting this until it becomes policy

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:23 pm
by iksyp
WarbossLincoln wrote:I'm grabbing the wheel and pulling it back onto policy and not on personal attacks and shit flinging between lady ari, oranges, nilons, iksyp, and various others.
hey all i did was call someone a toddler and entitled why am i on this list

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:44 am
by Tlaltecuhtli
no one forces you to be an admin

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:59 pm
by Qbmax32
Qbmax32 wrote:
Qbmax32 wrote:
Sometinyprick wrote:I honestly think we should just remove the whole naming policy and replace it with something along the lines of "just make sure your name is reasonable", I understand by doing it this way it's open to admin discrepancy but if someone appeals the ban I feel it's far better to discuss it in terms of "is this name reasonable and appropriate and is it really pissing people off/breaking immersion" rather than you broke rule x of this policy therefore you can't have that name regardless of how the rest of the players feel about it.
day one of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day two of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day three of reposting this until it becomes policy

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:47 pm
by lmwevil
Qbmax32 wrote:
Qbmax32 wrote:
Qbmax32 wrote:
Sometinyprick wrote:I honestly think we should just remove the whole naming policy and replace it with something along the lines of "just make sure your name is reasonable", I understand by doing it this way it's open to admin discrepancy but if someone appeals the ban I feel it's far better to discuss it in terms of "is this name reasonable and appropriate and is it really pissing people off/breaking immersion" rather than you broke rule x of this policy therefore you can't have that name regardless of how the rest of the players feel about it.
day one of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day two of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day three of reposting this until it becomes policy
i can't agree more, thankfully there's text here so I won't get deleted this time right? :shades:

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:05 pm
by WarbossLincoln
Qbmax32 wrote:
Qbmax32 wrote:
Qbmax32 wrote:
Sometinyprick wrote:I honestly think we should just remove the whole naming policy and replace it with something along the lines of "just make sure your name is reasonable", I understand by doing it this way it's open to admin discrepancy but if someone appeals the ban I feel it's far better to discuss it in terms of "is this name reasonable and appropriate and is it really pissing people off/breaking immersion" rather than you broke rule x of this policy therefore you can't have that name regardless of how the rest of the players feel about it.
day one of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day two of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day three of reposting this until it becomes policy
We should also start posting a list of names that pass muster or go unnoticed. Even if they go unnoticed it just goes to show that trying to enforce a naming policy on anyone except the most obvious offenders like xXxAssMuncherxXx is doomed to fail.


Justice Field
Kevin Space
Bones Jackson
Bal Dee
Dan K. Memes
Chadwick Thundercock
Cara Mel - This might have been a cat, I didn't see
HUGH JANUS

are some that I saw last night that technically violate either the letter or the spirit of naming policy. And hint: most of them are perfectly fine for a space theme autism simulator.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:43 pm
by Shadowflame909
WarbossLincoln wrote:
Qbmax32 wrote:
Qbmax32 wrote:
Qbmax32 wrote:
Sometinyprick wrote:I honestly think we should just remove the whole naming policy and replace it with something along the lines of "just make sure your name is reasonable", I understand by doing it this way it's open to admin discrepancy but if someone appeals the ban I feel it's far better to discuss it in terms of "is this name reasonable and appropriate and is it really pissing people off/breaking immersion" rather than you broke rule x of this policy therefore you can't have that name regardless of how the rest of the players feel about it.
day one of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day two of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day three of reposting this until it becomes policy
We should also start posting a list of names that pass muster or go unnoticed. Even if they go unnoticed it just goes to show that trying to enforce a naming policy on anyone except the most obvious offenders like xXxAssMuncherxXx is doomed to fail.


Justice Field
Kevin Space
Bones Jackson
Bal Dee
Dan K. Memes
Chadwick Thundercock
Cara Mel - This might have been a cat, I didn't see
HUGH JANUS

are some that I saw last night that technically violate either the letter or the spirit of naming policy. And hint: most of them are perfectly fine for a space theme autism simulator.

Aieet Mahpoo

Hoo Lee Fuk

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:19 pm
by Kryson
WarbossLincoln wrote:
Justice Field
Kevin Space
Bones Jackson
Bal Dee
Dan K. Memes
Chadwick Thundercock
Cara Mel - This might have been a cat, I didn't see
HUGH JANUS

are some that I saw last night that technically violate either the letter or the spirit of naming policy. And hint: most of them are perfectly fine for a space theme autism simulator.
Cara Mel would not be allowed even if the player was a cat. After first being told that food names such as "Cup Cake" were okay for cats, i was told by another admin that food names such as Cup Cake are NOT under any circumstances okay for felnids and that they have the same naming rules as humans.
Nervere wrote:
Kryson wrote: I was also told both my first name and last name were in violation and that felinid names are limited to "food names and regular human names".
MortoSasye shouldn't have told you this, it's not true. Technically we don't have species-specific naming conventions (at the moment), but "food names" are not an accepted naming convention for felinids.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:03 pm
by confused rock
Think cats can make one word names unlike humans though, unless I’m wrong. Seen plenty of names like meowings and cup cake is now “kate lasaga”
Regardless, patience is a good virtue to have. Give it a week.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:58 pm
by obscolene
WarbossLincoln wrote:Justice Field
Kevin Space
Bones Jackson
There's literally nothing wrong with any of these names.
WarbossLincoln wrote:Cara Mel - This might have been a cat, I didn't see
Doesn't matter if it was a cat, they have the same naming policy as humans.
confused rock wrote:Think cats can make one word names unlike humans though, unless I’m wrong.
Cats follow the same naming guidelines as humans.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:00 pm
by Grazyn
Pets name should be allowed for cats

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:11 pm
by WarbossLincoln
obscolene wrote:
WarbossLincoln wrote:Justice Field
Kevin Space
Bones Jackson
There's literally nothing wrong with any of these names.
There's nothing wrong with those except by the letter of policy and how it's enforced(which is part of the problem.

If Lady isn't an acceptable first name then Bones isn't either, it's a nickname. "Nicknames in the middle are ok"

Same with Space, if the policy cares about a name being a believable human name why would 'Space' as a last name be a normal human name if 'Lady' isn't remotely believable as a first name.

This whole discussion boiled over from it being upheld that in a distant future space station filled with autistic clowns and lizards named "Makes-The-Memes", a human named "Lady" is OOC and ruins the immersion. So, "If Lady isn't acceptable" is the lens through which everyone will view the policy.
Spoiler:
the policy is dumb and all the names I listed, except for HUGH JANUS, are perfectly fine.
WarbossLincoln wrote:
Qbmax32 wrote:
Qbmax32 wrote:
Qbmax32 wrote:
Sometinyprick wrote:I honestly think we should just remove the whole naming policy and replace it with something along the lines of "just make sure your name is reasonable", I understand by doing it this way it's open to admin discrepancy but if someone appeals the ban I feel it's far better to discuss it in terms of "is this name reasonable and appropriate and is it really pissing people off/breaking immersion" rather than you broke rule x of this policy therefore you can't have that name regardless of how the rest of the players feel about it.
day one of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day two of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day three of reposting this until it becomes policy
Day three of me reposting this until it becomes policy

Aieet Mahpoo

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:18 pm
by obscolene
WarbossLincoln wrote:
obscolene wrote:
WarbossLincoln wrote:Justice Field
Kevin Space
Bones Jackson
There's literally nothing wrong with any of these names.
There's nothing wrong with those except by the letter of policy and how it's enforced(which is part of the problem.

If Lady isn't an acceptable first name then Bones isn't either, it's a nickname. "Nicknames in the middle are ok"

Same with Space, if the policy cares about a name being a believable human name why would 'Space' as a last name be a normal human name if 'Lady' isn't remotely believable as a first name.
Bones is not an honorific, this is a false equivalence. This has nothing to do with the believability of the names, it's the fact that you cannot have an honorific as your first name. This entire post is just grasping at straws. You also didn't list why the name 'Justice Field' would presumably fall under the jurisdiction of naming policy from your skewed point of view. If it's because you think 'Justice' is a noun and not a name, you're pretty ignorant I've got to say.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:33 pm
by confused rock
I didn't say they should make them. I meant it's physically possible for them to, unlike with humans.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:44 pm
by wesoda25
Obscolene is right. Stop making page long arguments. Rules say "no honorifics are allowed". Lady is an honorific and therefore not allowed, irrelevant of whether or not it functions as a name.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:53 pm
by Qbmax32
Grazyn wrote:Pets name should be allowed for cats

Oh god please no

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:49 pm
by Sometinyprick
wesoda25 wrote:Obscolene is right. Stop making page long arguments. Rules say "no honorifics are allowed". Lady is an honorific and therefore not allowed, irrelevant of whether or not it functions as a name.
Policy discussion exists so players and admins alike are given a forum to discuss policy and possibly changing policy. Going on about how it's pointless to argue about it because the rules don't allow it rather defeats the point of this entire subforum.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:40 pm
by LadyAri
wesoda25 wrote:Obscolene is right. Stop making page long arguments. Rules say "no honorifics are allowed". Lady is an honorific and therefore not allowed, irrelevant of whether or not it functions as a name.
No see, that actually is quite relevant.

Also, please go ahead and share information showing proof that that is the reason why my name is banned. Because not a single person has told me one reason yet. Something your rude socially autistic ass can't grasp.

>calls people out for only reading half the argument
>reads only half the argument
>responds with emotion instead of logic

If you :heart: :evil: and :heart: obscolene :twisted: had :arrow: a kid :shock: you guys might cause a :singulo: singularity :singulo: to form from the :capid: sheer amount of :capid: :honkman: :brain: stupid :brain: :honkman: you both generate. :shades: :shades: :shades: :shades: :bball: :beer: :honk: :honk: :honk: 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

damn u guys is dumb :bball: :bball: :bball: :bball: :bball:

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:42 pm
by WarbossLincoln
wesoda25 wrote:Obscolene is right. Stop making page long arguments. Rules say "no honorifics are allowed". Lady is an honorific and therefore not allowed, irrelevant of whether or not it functions as a name.
Justice is an honorific, as in Justice Clarence Thomas.

Plus I'm arguing that the policy is dumb, not that Lady isn't normally an honorific. Which is the point of the thread.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:52 pm
by wesoda25
STP - I’m saying that the constant page long reiteration of points is stupid. Thats why I reiterated mine in two lines.

Ari - Bro use your fucking head. Rules LITERALLY SAY honorifics aren’t allowed. So I’d be willing to bet cash money that the issue with your name was the ‘Lady’ part as opposed for Ari. If it was Ari, then the ban is dumb as shit. Like it or not, Lady can and will be interpreted as a title, even if you interpret it otherwise. If you can’t understand how that would play into an admins reason for banning you, then I dunno what else to say.

Croc - Its like the cat debate. Just because I want cats removed doesn’t also mean I want lizards to stay. Justice is a title, so for the sake of consistency I agree it should be banned. But yeah thread is off topic I guess I’m not helping.

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:04 am
by LadyAri
wesoda25 wrote:STP - I’m saying that the constant page long reiteration of points is stupid. Thats why I reiterated mine in two lines.

Ari - Bro use your fucking head. Rules LITERALLY SAY honorifics aren’t allowed. So I’d be willing to bet cash money that the issue with your name was the ‘Lady’ part as opposed for Ari. If it was Ari, then the ban is dumb as shit. Like it or not, Lady can and will be interpreted as a title, even if you interpret it otherwise. If you can’t understand how that would play into an admins reason for banning you, then I dunno what else to say.

Croc - Its like the cat debate. Just because I want cats removed doesn’t also mean I want lizards to stay. Justice is a title, so for the sake of consistency I agree it should be banned. But yeah thread is off topic I guess I’m not helping.
They can interpret it however they want, they're still wrong. I provided proof, they've provided nothing but emotional banter. Not a single admin, over a week later, has stated in stone what the issue was. "You're an asshole" is not an argument as to why my name should be banned after six years of no issue. If you can't fathom why this naming policy is stupid you have issues byond (lol) me or anyone else's help. I'm not an idiot. I understand why its interpreted that way, but when you provide proof and a logical argument as to why that's stupid and nothing changes a follow up discussion takes place, just as it is now.

"I honestly think we should just remove the whole naming policy and replace it with something along the lines of "just make sure your name is reasonable", I understand by doing it this way it's open to admin discrepancy but if someone appeals the ban I feel it's far better to discuss it in terms of "is this name reasonable and appropriate and is it really pissing people off/breaking immersion" rather than you broke rule x of this policy therefore you can't have that name regardless of how the rest of the players feel about it."

That's literally the only logical option.

And bitch i bet you cant even cripwalk



u even a crip kid?

Re: Is there any reason to really have a naming policy?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:12 am
by Nervere
We've made changes to naming policy to address this.
See this thread for more information and discussion of naming policy: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 40&t=20848.