Are non-crew player controlled mobs valid?

[WarbossLincoln]

Title says it. I've heard different things from different people. My example is a player that turns himself into a monkey in genetics. Are they immediately valid. I do this a fair bit on slow rounds for the fun of it. But every time an npc is obviously player controlled some asshole assumes they are valid and tries to kill them. We don't do this with golems, why do we do it with other player mobs? I don't remember who it was but a long time ago an admin told me all player controlled non-crew were valid to be murdred FNR at all, and that seems to have stuck. It gets annoying when you're screwing around and some random crewman is like "OH MONKY ARE VALID, I CAN RUIN SOMEONE'S ROUND"

[Wyzack]

Does it bother anyone else that most people simply gauge every interaction with another player/being by whether or not they will be banned if they kill them? Would you all just murder everybody if you thought it was "Valid"? I am really starting to hate that word. This is a game you faggots, have fun in ways other than murder once in a god damn while

[iamgoofball]

The way I see it:
Player in hostile mob, haha no you gonna die

Player in neutral mob, start shit get hit, otherwise we chill bro

Player in friendly mob, same as above

[Saegrimr]

Does it bother anyone else that most people simply gauge every interaction with another player/being by whether or not they will be banned if they kill them?

MUH "LOW" """"RP""""

[WarbossLincoln]

The way I see it:
Player in hostile mob, haha no you gonna die

Player in neutral mob, start shit get hit, otherwise we chill bro

Player in friendly mob, same as above

This is how I approach things, but apparently not everyone does. The other day as a monkey I deconstructed the detective's window to get his camera and I stole his locked cabinet. A non-antag chemist who made a spray bottle of thermite at round start started spraying it at me and trying to light me on fire. I eventually weldered him to death after washing off the thermite but still. I could see smacking the monkey around for that, but dousing him in thermite when he hasn't actually hurt anyone is a little rude.

Does it bother anyone else that most people simply gauge every interaction with another player/being by whether or not they will be banned if they kill them? Would you all just murder everybody if you thought it was "Valid"? I am really starting to hate that word. This is a game you faggots, have fun in ways other than murder once in a god damn while

Apparently not. I have a goal, I've never reached it yet though. I want to be a monkey and get photos of myself with each head of staff. I keep getting murderboned by random doctors/clowns/anyone bored. The closest I got was one round I had the Captain, HOP, CMO, and HOS. Couldn't get to the RD before some assistant beat me to death with an extinguisher cause I was a monkey.

[Xhagi]

Part of me wants to bwoink people who do that just to inquire 'why'd you kill the player controlled Ian/monkey/crate/etc.' More out of curiousity than an attempt to ban them, see why this sort of mentality happens.

But it's not really bwoinkable and give how surprising an admin message can be it'd probably be frowned upon.

[imblyings]

Any monkey in an area remotely considered off limits to an assistant should expect to be killed, as your ventcrawling abilities don't include people having to let you use it unchallenged in their departments.

My suggestion is, if you want to monkey yourself, tell the station or a coworker beforehand so they know not to kill you/tell everyone else on the radio that it's you when someone reports seeing a sentient monkey. You know, common sense procedures one would do when turning themselves into an animal.

[WarbossLincoln]

I don't think telling the crew would mean anything. Like a week ago the HOP killed a traitor who left his PDA unlocked with enough points left to buy a holoparasite. He told command and common multiple times that he took it from a traitor and was going to give himself a holoparasite. They still lynched him when someone saw him with the holo.

I'm not talking about breaking into sec(that one example with the detectives camera I did), but what about just walking around the halls? Also, you can't vent crawl with items so you can't really rob people. I agree if you're fucking with dangerous stuff that's one thing, but if you pop out of a vent in medbay and wave to people it's extremely dickish for an assistant to spear you to death.

To me, it just screams of someone getting a boner by taking someone out of the round just because they won't get banned for it. Once in awhile it's just a little annoying, but when it happens 2-3 times less than 5 minutes of being a monkey, while just walking through the hall, it starts being infuriating.

[Sidon]

The way I see it:
Player in hostile mob, haha no you gonna die

Player in neutral mob, start shit get hit, otherwise we chill bro

Player in friendly mob, same as above

Do you mean the mob type or the mob's player behavoir? Because if it's the latter enjoy getting chucked out an airlock by an angry xenobiologist.

[Zilenan91]

The "valid" behavior is why so many of our players left to Lifeweb. People shouldn't ask if it's valid but if there's any point to killing something.

[oranges]

>so many of our players left to lifeweb
>we have more players than ever

shut your cakehole, the people who went to lifeweb went because it was new and exciting

[PKPenguin321]

yeah p much only guys that permanently left to lifeweb were already permabanned here
kinda says a lot about that place

[Zilenan91]

What I was saying was that people who only look at things in shades of valid are shitty people who have been removed. No offense to the OP of course since this is a genuine question, but yeah.

[Scott]

Does it bother anyone else that most people simply gauge every interaction with another player/being by whether or not they will be banned if they kill them? Would you all just murder everybody if you thought it was "Valid"? I am really starting to hate that word. This is a game you faggots, have fun in ways other than murder once in a god damn while

Yeah, this actually happens. Some people just kill everything as long as its not a crew member.

[TheNightingale]

Does it bother anyone else that most people simply gauge every interaction with another player/being by whether or not they will be banned if they kill them? Would you all just murder everybody if you thought it was "Valid"? I am really starting to hate that word. This is a game you faggots, have fun in ways other than murder once in a god damn while

Yeah, this actually happens. Some people just kill everything as long as its not a crew member.

Truth. I've even been killed as a Central Command Official once or twice by non-antags, just because 'hurr durr they're not crew they must be valid'.

[yackemflam]

Does it bother anyone else that most people simply gauge every interaction with another player/being by whether or not they will be banned if they kill them? Would you all just murder everybody if you thought it was "Valid"? I am really starting to hate that word. This is a game you faggots, have fun in ways other than murder once in a god damn while

Yeah, this actually happens. Some people just kill everything as long as its not a crew member.

Truth. I've even been killed as a Central Command Official once or twice by non-antags, just because 'hurr durr they're not crew they must be valid'.

The only person I`ve lynched was a lizard captain that centcom has sent over to us. Everyone knew that centcom doesn`t have lizard heads so the entire crew joined in. He `Reeeee``d so hard. Or had a valid reasoning for lynching, like a golem killing their master.

[Jacough]

Does it bother anyone else that most people simply gauge every interaction with another player/being by whether or not they will be banned if they kill them? Would you all just murder everybody if you thought it was "Valid"? I am really starting to hate that word. This is a game you faggots, have fun in ways other than murder once in a god damn while

Yeah, this actually happens. Some people just kill everything as long as its not a crew member.

Truth. I've even been killed as a Central Command Official once or twice by non-antags, just because 'hurr durr they're not crew they must be valid'.

Seems like that should be a bannable offense in my opinion if the person doing the killing is a nonantag. ERTs and COs are generally supposed to be high level members of command and sent to either fix shit up or do some harmless gimmick. Pretty much the opposite of a death squad. The only reason I can see people going out of their way to kill them as nonantags is to be a total dick.

[Screemonster]

If the CC member isn't an antag or acting like an antag, then... why is randomly lynching them okay?

[kazeespada]

I gave been lynched as a pet for so many reasons. One of the worst was some asshole who chased me ruthlessly when i was espeon runtime.

Also killing an official centcom officer should be bannable or a traitor one without having good evidence.

[WarbossLincoln]

I turned into a monkey once and was immediately set upon by 3 random scrubs when I walked out of medbay. The bartender saved me and kept me behind the bar. I ahelped their lynching but some admin(it was a long time ago) just said monkeys are always valid.

[starmute]

Random lynching of non crewman antags is perfectly legal. Sorry to ruin your special snowflake round but if you get spawned into a "special role" then its the same as being a PAI. You can be wiped at any time.

[Scott]

special snowflake

Says the animefag.

[ThanatosRa]

I gave been lynched as a pet for so many reasons. One of the worst was some asshole who chased me ruthlessly when i was espeon runtime.

Also killing an official centcom officer should be bannable or a traitor one without having good evidence.

Honestly, why aren't the chucklfucks that kill Centcom Officials just BSA'd into oblivion? Honestly it's Justifiable ICly.

[iamgoofball]

I gave been lynched as a pet for so many reasons. One of the worst was some asshole who chased me ruthlessly when i was espeon runtime.

Also killing an official centcom officer should be bannable or a traitor one without having good evidence.

Honestly, why aren't the chucklfucks that kill Centcom Officials just BSA'd into oblivion? Honestly it's Justifiable ICly.

because it's piss easy to pretend to be a centcom official nowadays

[ThanatosRa]

I gave been lynched as a pet for so many reasons. One of the worst was some asshole who chased me ruthlessly when i was espeon runtime.

Also killing an official centcom officer should be bannable or a traitor one without having good evidence.

Honestly, why aren't the chucklfucks that kill Centcom Officials just BSA'd into oblivion? Honestly it's Justifiable ICly.

because it's piss easy to pretend to be a centcom official nowadays

Yea, I suppose that's a good point.

[starmute]

special snowflake

Says the animefag.

Ad hominem

Irrelevant.

[Anonmare]

If you kill a legit Centcomm Official without clearing it with Central first (Unauthorised public lynchings cost them a lot of paperwork), you are not allowed to complain when The Man comes a-knockin'

[Not-Dorsidarf]

I gotta admit that if an authority figure kills an official "Because non crew = antag" I'll usually send in a deathsquad or blow them up. If the official was a shitter and sec beat them to death/antag got them killed/whatever I'll usually just send in another official with the mission "Find out what happened to the last one"

[Grazyn]

I've seen centcomm officials slipped/stunned/tossed around as soon as they set foot on the station before, probably to test if it's a "robust" player playing them or just a random nobody, if the official can't hold his ground then he's eventually harassed to death.

Anyway, this matter was already discussed here some time ago and the general consensus was that xenobio mobs are always valid even if non-hostile and golems too fall under the same category. Monkeys, there's another matter, but I think that a disrupting monkey (as in, a monkey breaking into places and stealing stuff) should be valid as well

[starmute]

I've seen centcomm officials slipped/stunned/tossed around as soon as they set foot on the station before, probably to test if it's a "robust" player playing them or just a random nobody, if the official can't hold his ground then he's eventually harassed to death.

Anyway, this matter was already discussed here some time ago and the general consensus was that xenobio mobs are always valid even if non-hostile and golems too fall under the same category. Monkeys, there's another matter, but I think that a disrupting monkey (as in, a monkey breaking into places and stealing stuff) should be valid as well

Considering changeling rounds are back: Monkeys should be valid.