Mind-Transferred Changelings: To Valid or not to Valid?

[Anonmare]

With the existence of mind transference potions, we should consider the status of xenobio-made Changelings and how we treat them. Are they valid antagonists or are they not? My gut says no but I want to hear everyone else's opinion and hope for an administration ruling to remove any sense of ambiguity.

The reason I say no, they aren't antagonists, is due to the precedent of other xenobio-made mobs. For example, a xenobio-made golem told "You are free so go do whatever" isn't an antagonist and is still made to follow the same rules as a loyal crew member and this also applies to the non-golems (like the magicarp and such). We have rules that say not to kill the sentient bear for being a bear and I don't see why the inverse should be different.

We should also consider whether or not an Asimov AI should be obligated to terminate these Changelings as they are with true Changelings.

[TheNightingale]

An Asimov AI isn't obligated to terminate changelings. They can if they want to, and they should if the changeling is harmful, but a nonharmful changeling (one who preys on monkeys, for example) doesn't have to be purged with fire.

[Shaps-cloud]

They're definitely not antag, and I would say security is fully justified in terminating the ling if they think there's any chance it might go rogue. Lings are dangerous things, and if you decide to make yourself one and let other people know, you have no right to complain when sec intervenes.

That being said, I don't think the AI really has any implicit obligation to kill changelings, and it's up to them and the circumstances around them for what they want to do

[Incomptinence]

If there are normal hostile changelings around at the same time I think the AI might be forced to take out known grown lings simply because they are so plastic it might not be able to tell them apart side effect of being able to change your identity at will you don't have a secure one any ling could steal your genomes and look the same.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

I'd say that security shouldn't be expected to differentiate between xenobio lings and actual lings unless the scientist checked in with them first, and that the random crewpeople shouldn't get in trouble for killing the everloving fuck out of any stupid enough to show blatant ling powers in public

[Shadowlight213]

I'd say that security shouldn't be expected to differentiate between xenobio lings and actual lings unless the scientist checked in with them first, and that the random crewpeople shouldn't get in trouble for killing the everloving fuck out of any stupid enough to show blatant ling powers in public

This. If you're going to ling yourself, you lose all protection. The crew gets to treat you as a dangerous antagonist even though you yourself do not get to antag.
Complaining about this is as dumb as complaining that sec killed you when you donned a syndie hardsuit and carried in full view an esword.

[Drynwyn]

I'd say that security shouldn't be expected to differentiate between xenobio lings and actual lings unless the scientist checked in with them first, and that the random crewpeople shouldn't get in trouble for killing the everloving fuck out of any stupid enough to show blatant ling powers in public

This. If you're going to ling yourself, you lose all protection. The crew gets to treat you as a dangerous antagonist even though you yourself do not get to antag.
Complaining about this is as dumb as complaining that sec killed you when you donned a syndie hardsuit and carried in full view an esword.

It depends on context, though. If you ling yourself, pop an armblade in the bar, and get shot and gibbed, your fault.

If you ling yourself, tell the Captain and HoS, they're cool with it, you change your hair in the bar, and the chef stabs you to death and drags you into the gibber while sec screams at him to stop, probably his fault.

[ThanatosRa]

I'd say that security shouldn't be expected to differentiate between xenobio lings and actual lings unless the scientist checked in with them first, and that the random crewpeople shouldn't get in trouble for killing the everloving fuck out of any stupid enough to show blatant ling powers in public

This. If you're going to ling yourself, you lose all protection. The crew gets to treat you as a dangerous antagonist even though you yourself do not get to antag.
Complaining about this is as dumb as complaining that sec killed you when you donned a syndie hardsuit and carried in full view an esword.

It depends on context, though. If you ling yourself, pop an armblade in the bar, and get shot and gibbed, your fault.

If you ling yourself, tell the Captain and HoS, they're cool with it, you change your hair in the bar, and the chef stabs you to death and drags you into the gibber while sec screams at him to stop, probably his fault.

So apply common sense liberally. Gotcha.

[DemonFiren]

Common sense.

Isn't.