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viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36042Impressive dedication as well as unhealthy amount spent on the game. No suicides, no ghostings. Always helping crew out.
no what I mean is, it's only round IDs where the door shocked himBonChoi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:52 pmNo, I separated all of the rounds out and removed the repeats in my count. There are 38 unique round IDs in there.
Ban request forum is long closed. Ahelp when it actually happens in round instead.Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:48 pmSince we are noticing alot, lets notice that an adminfriend is using metagaming information to be a dick for no other reason than they dislike somebody.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:25 pm Why does this appeal mention Lenald so much? It doesnt feel very relevant. If this appeal is to be accepted the ”lenald admin cabal” angle isnt likely to work, you should instead focus on why you did the right thing or why what you did was justified.
your last two rounds were spent suiciding because you a) weren't antag and b) couldn't get your vault lootIstoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:53 pm Impressive dedication as well as unhealthy amount spent on the game. No suicides, no ghostings. Always helping crew out.
dendydoom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:20 pm i will never be comfortable demanding that people play the game. it is not something that i will ever act on administratively. they are free to quit for whatever reason they like. but if you (not specifically you, but the royal you) quit the game because you lost or something happened that you don't like, then to be perfectly honest it makes you a sore loser and you are harming the experience of others, which will have an impact on their view of you as a player.
I do wish people would actually treat more secure areas as, well, secure. No sec officer gives the slightest shit about EVA, Teleporter, etc breakins now that they arent traitor objectives, and every single round begins with multiple greyshirts openly cruising in/smashing down the shutters in 10 seconds or so, taking a bunch of metal, jetpacks, the hand tele, etc., even though EVA is a restricted Command area that only sec and heads get and even most heads of staff dont get Teleporter access.dendydoom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 12:13 pm i just want to say that the vault is a secure area, it's a VAULT, and my reading of this detects the implication that the "newfriend" hos wasn't acting appropriately to put a stop to it. i could be wrong here, but i would like to take the opportunity to clearly state that breaking into a restricted area is grounds for being arrested. you aren't entitled to items that aren't job-specific, especially not items locked behind 2 doors and reinforced walls.
See the editJacquerel wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:54 pmno what I mean is, it's only round IDs where the door shocked himBonChoi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:52 pmNo, I separated all of the rounds out and removed the repeats in my count. There are 38 unique round IDs in there.
there might be more rounds that are not in the logs because the door did not shock him in those rounds
38 is the minimum, the actual number could be higher
To be honest I believe IC and OOC that EVA should be open to everyone so that they're able to do what they would like - especially assistants. Not a huge fan of the teleporter break-ins though, but for some stupid fucking reason NT decided to leave a very sensitive piece of technology sitting on a table behind just one regular airlock in a place where everyone can see it through a window on most maps.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:59 pm I do wish people would actually treat more secure areas as, well, secure. No sec officer gives the slightest shit about EVA, Teleporter, etc breakins now that they arent traitor objectives, and every single round begins with multiple greyshirts openly cruising in/smashing down the shutters in 10 seconds or so, taking a bunch of metal, jetpacks, the hand tele, etc., even though EVA is a restricted Command area that only sec and heads get and even most heads of staff dont get Teleporter access.
Read what I said again. Also ahelp this? Im not sure in what world you think Lenald is above the law but I assure you that nobody is.Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:48 pmSince we are noticing alot, lets notice that an adminfriend is using metagaming information to be a dick for no other reason than they dislike somebody.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 1:25 pm Why does this appeal mention Lenald so much? It doesnt feel very relevant. If this appeal is to be accepted the ”lenald admin cabal” angle isnt likely to work, you should instead focus on why you did the right thing or why what you did was justified.
I understand that nobody is above the law, but after all the mental gymnastics there were with Janice in order to paint them white. Oh man.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:05 pm Read what I said again. Also ahelp this? Im not sure in what world you think Lenald is above the law but I assure you that nobody is.
The cool looking bag, never forget.Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:02 pm I find it a little funny he calls the vault loot drip when the drip includes a Makarov, telescopic baton, suppressor and sunglasses. Other than that there's just a suit in there that you could probably get from dorms.
I gotchu buddy, no worries.
to be clear it seems like the noted player does not even object to any factual element of the note or that an admin asked them to cut it outDaBoss wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:21 pm If the admin steps in to say "keep this shit to antag rounds please" then fair enough, surely? Experimenting with breaking and entering and practicing committing minor crimes is fine as non-antag, but how much of this is honest experimentation with the game for gimmicky reasons and how much of this is just gamering a disabler and spare anonymous identity every round for an advantage? It's not even as though antag rounds are terribly rare right now, especially conversion ones like revs.
(I don't really know how the new ID slot system code works, I just know internally its still handled as a Command access. It might have been so that sec could still have it when the access type change was made?)
I never broke in as an antag as I found it to be of poor taste and a bit too powergamey. Since my gimmick was "hey, its me again in the vault" and being crew/sec aligned rather than "hurr durr I get more gear, I pretent to help and they won't do anything about it". Sometimes I even put the gear into dorms 4 locker if I was converted or got midround antag. I also pointed out that I rarely took the disabler and when I did I used it to show gratitude to cargo techs/QMs by giving it to them.DaBoss wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:21 pm Let's be real, the reason this is happening on Metastation in particular is because of the extra gamer gear in the vault on that map. Besides the piggy bank, an insignificant amount of gold/silver, the useless belt and the secret docs that have zero value to anyone but antagonists, the metastation vault has these items in the safe.
https://i.imgur.com/tLQnNQG.png
Duffel bag just has a full set of clothes including gloves, the silver id is a real silver id but it starts with no access. The disabler is the clear goal here, and I posit that the accused is breaking in for this disabler because they are a weenie baby who is too scared to mug a security officer for one or feels that they wouldn't be able to justify this gimmick if they were breaking into security's areas and smashing the lockers. Maybe they can't muster the courage to attack brig's lockers and aren't satisfied with the items from the departmental/aux security outposes because those lockers got nerfed because weenie babies kept breaking them for effort-free loot. Maybe they just feel that cargo is easier to beat in a fight than security.
If the admin steps in to say "keep this shit to antag rounds please" then fair enough, surely? Experimenting with breaking and entering and practicing committing minor crimes is fine as non-antag, but how much of this is honest experimentation with the game for gimmicky reasons and how much of this is just gamering a disabler and spare anonymous identity every round for an advantage? It's not even as though antag rounds are terribly rare right now, especially conversion ones like revs.
Furthermore: if those items are crucial, there are other ways to get them. The most obvious is bribing the damn QM for the items. You could do a single bounty and that is usually enough for cargo to buy you a disabler crate no questions asked, they might even break it open for you. Same with the silver ID. You could play any of the cargo roles and just buy it yourself.
Would you feel that it's no longer unjustifiably harsh if all the un-needed stuff/context was removed and it was just changed to the pure recordskeepingIstoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:25 pm The note is harsh and unjustified. There is little to no reason to slap me with a Rule 1 griefing note.
?"Asked to stop breaking into the vault as an assistant at the start of every round and to instead communicate with or be the Captain/QM if they want to grab gear from the vault on a semi-regular basis."
The change made was basically so the HoP can put EVA access on any ID card whereas previously it could only be put on a Silver ID Card which are normally reserved for heads of staff.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:25 pm(I don't really know how the new ID slot system code works, I just know internally its still handled as a Command access. It might have been so that sec could still have it when the access type change was made?)
It's just always kinda strange how people are so casual about handing out spacesuits these days given how exposed a lot of critical/secure areas are to space on most maps. Like, traitors pay telecrystals/ lings have powers for a spacesuit but what's the point when you can just smash down the EVA shutters in a few seconds and take one that doesnt make you valid, you know? But if we're leaning into the "space gear being freely available is expected and intended behaviour" we could always hand EVA off to Supply.
I shouldn't entertain this, because it's literally just "I got in trouble for doing something I know I shouldn't be doing, so I'm going to deflect onto someone else who seems like an easy target", but nothing they did actually breaks the rules. You have no explicit proof that what they did was inherently because you were breaking into the vault as much as you were, and even if you had that proof, the most they would get is being told to adminhelp it next time instead of taking it into their own hands.Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:20 pmI gotchu buddy, no worries.
I have pointed out that they were breaking Rule 2 as well as Rule 1 by using metaknowledge about other player's actions and then going out of their way to prevent those actions or do things to cause the maximum amount of grief for no other reason than "lol its just funny".
You also said I am cringe. Yes, I agree.
Potentially. The ideal outcome would be no note and we just have the appeal as a funny piece of history. I would change my gameplay patterns as a reasonable talking to would be enough for me and there doesn't have to be any persistent negative consequences.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:27 pmWould you feel that it's no longer unjustifiably harsh if all the un-needed stuff/context was removed and it was just changed to the pure recordskeepingIstoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:25 pm The note is harsh and unjustified. There is little to no reason to slap me with a Rule 1 griefing note.
?"Asked to stop breaking into the vault as an assistant at the start of every round and to instead communicate with or be the Captain/QM if they want to grab gear from the vault on a semi-regular basis."
I think this would be fair tbh.Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:27 pmWould you feel that it's no longer unjustifiably harsh if all the un-needed stuff/context was removed and it was just changed to the pure recordskeepingIstoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:25 pm The note is harsh and unjustified. There is little to no reason to slap me with a Rule 1 griefing note.
?"Asked to stop breaking into the vault as an assistant at the start of every round and to instead communicate with or be the Captain/QM if they want to grab gear from the vault on a semi-regular basis."
I wish it was so and I was not getting metagriefed round after round by a single person who thought it would be funny to do so.Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:29 pm I shouldn't entertain this, because it's literally just "I got in trouble for doing something I know I shouldn't be doing, so I'm going to deflect onto someone else who seems like an easy target", but nothing they did actually breaks the rules. You have no explicit proof that what they did was inherently because you were breaking into the vault as much as you were, and even if you had that proof, the most they would get is being told to adminhelp it next time instead of taking it into their own hands.
This would happen regardless of who it is. Them playing a completely unrelated video game with an admin does not mean they get preferential treatment.
and it's worth considering from the player side that this is not ideal at all, because players are not privy to this conversation and have no oversight over how admins interpret their behaviour as a player.
>I'm being metagrudged by someone round after round!Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:37 pmI wish it was so and I was not getting metagriefed round after round by a single person who thought it would be funny to do so.Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:29 pm I shouldn't entertain this, because it's literally just "I got in trouble for doing something I know I shouldn't be doing, so I'm going to deflect onto someone else who seems like an easy target", but nothing they did actually breaks the rules. You have no explicit proof that what they did was inherently because you were breaking into the vault as much as you were, and even if you had that proof, the most they would get is being told to adminhelp it next time instead of taking it into their own hands.
This would happen regardless of who it is. Them playing a completely unrelated video game with an admin does not mean they get preferential treatment.
The vault safe gives you a syndie bag with armour, a baton, a Makarov, and a suppressorTimonk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 9:37 amshit man shoulda warned him, but i decided against it
yall tripping for calling this metagaming
what he gets from opening the safe is drip, a syndie dufflebag, the champion belt, a swaggy chain and if i remember correctly a single charge of C4. whats metagaming about that? i personally can confirm that he goes to medbay to do medbay stuff with that.
he ghosted out when the HoS arrested him because he wanted to do torture RP, which i understand ghosting out from.
and i like to think that he wouldnt suicide when nothing is in the safe when it isnt obvious hes being fucked with by a guy going QM for the sole reason to fuck with him (what the fuck?)
Krokodil did nothing wrong, and i will die on this hill unless new information comes to light
Bro's out of your mind, trials are the best shit this game has to offer, i'm sorry you can't appreciate them.Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:28 am 20 minutes of trial and then getting shot is not fun roleplaying.
And besides, if you feel you are being metagrudged, ahelp it, your ban appeal is not really the place to accuse them of metagrudging, it just makes you look like you're deflecting blame.While this is a roleplay game, we are humans who are capable of recognizing patterns. Don't go out of your way every round to stop someone's typical strategy, but you can respond or react to it if you see the starting signs of it start to show. If you're doing the same thing round after round and people start to complain about it, maybe it's time to change things up. Admins can possibly ask people to try different tactics if it's getting boring.
QM and cargo tech collectively make up 11 hours of their playtime over the last 30 days, are you telling me they only play it when you're around and specifically only to cuck you from breaking into the vault?Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:42 pm Yeah, I posted the griefconga in here after that you can just look up Metastation rounds where Improvedname is playing QM either as Lenald or Gaslights-The-People. There are of course snippets of them talking trash about me and expressing their dislike towards me, which solidifies the metagrudging/metagriefing aspect. Since my appeal has little to do with "don't let this drop", then it would be not productive spending time and finding all the instances.
I've been talked to about calming down on gimmicks before too man. Vekter got angy (And by that I mean he politely asked me to stop and noted me) at me for HFR nuking the station a bit too often before. This isn't a unique situation. If you were breaking in once or twice a day and then waiting for 3 or 4 days, no admin would have said a peep. Instead, you've done it so often that people are memeing on the sheer number of times you've done it in this thread and trying to see the *checks notes* literal dozens of times they can find.Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:23 pm There is no blame to be deflected. Somebody has been going out of their way to stop someone else's "typical strategy". If they had an issue with it, maybe they should have ahelped rather than just blatantly metagame and metagrief?
The issue started with "why you ghost/suicide fnr?", I had reasons, pointed them out. Now we are discussing whether going to vault is right or wrong.
I did ahelp when they got me brigged over sunglasses at round start with a claim that I had broken into the lawyer's office. Never saw them nor anybody around. Vents observed me, nothing came of it. Could have ask how they knew I had stolen them etc.
The issue is you having a "typical strategy" where you rush gamer gear every round. This is a spess role playing gameIstoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:23 pm There is no blame to be deflected. Somebody has been going out of their way to stop someone else's "typical strategy". If they had an issue with it, maybe they should have ahelped rather than just blatantly metagame and metagrief?
The issue started with "why you ghost/suicide fnr?", I had reasons, pointed them out. Now we are discussing whether going to vault is right or wrong.
I did ahelp when they got me brigged over sunglasses at round start with a claim that I had broken into the lawyer's office. Never saw them nor anybody around. Vents observed me, nothing came of it. Could have ask how they knew I had stolen them etc.
Oh yeah, this is in a seperate case that used to have nothing but was fixed late 2022. That's a lotta gear, deltastation has a deagle in its safe too for some reason. This is more along the lines of stealing bridge's axe or armory's contraband locker as assistant, makarovs are immensely lethal if used properly - maybe worse than the axe because it's pocketable and baggable. I don't really get the reasoning that this is lame for an antag to do but okay for a non antag to do? Isn't breaking into the vault something we want antags to do and crew not to?EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:54 pm The vault safe gives you a syndie bag with armour, a baton, a Makarov, and a suppressor
HOLY SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT
Its not the same situation. First of all my gimmick was not destructive or nor affected people to the point where they would light up the ahelps with "THIS FUCKING GUY IS DOING THIS SHIT AGAIN". My gimmick wasn't an issue until I blueballed a seccie who wanted for me to watch my execution in body, now suddenly I am a red flag and on 10 different watchlists and after that specificly being set up by the admins. No suicides/ghostings before. And yet now he suicides. Why is that? We have figured it out why, right?Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:37 pm I've been talked to about calming down on gimmicks before too man. Vekter got angy (And by that I mean he politely asked me to stop and noted me) at me for HFR nuking the station a bit too often before. This isn't a unique situation. If you were breaking in once or twice a day and then waiting for 3 or 4 days, no admin would have said a peep. Instead, you've done it so often that people are memeing on the sheer number of times you've done it in this thread and trying to see the *checks notes* literal dozens of times they can find.
Also, besides the fact that the lawyer's office is one of the few places that sunglasses exist, you know forensics exists, right?
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02:07:53 SAY Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3408) "arrest krokodil" (129, 132, 2) Bar Lounge
02:07:56 SAY Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3408) "stole lawyers sunglasses" (129, 132, 2) Bar Lounge
02:08:05 EMOTE Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3408) nods. (129, 132, 2) Bar Lounge
02:08:10 SAY Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3408) "or do you want to wait" (129, 132, 2) Bar Lounge
02:08:11 EMOTE Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3408) points at the floor (137, 130, 2) Bar Lounge
02:08:11 EMOTE Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3408) points at Bradley Howard (137, 130, 2) Bar Lounge
02:08:14 SAY Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3408) "oiptionally" (141, 131, 2) Bar Lounge
[b]02:08:19 SAY Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3408) "you can you wait for him to get into vault" (142, 131, 2) Bar Lounge[/b]
02:08:24 SAY Improvedname/(Lenald Wabbite) (mob_3408) "and get a makerov that way" (142, 131, 2) Bar LoungeWas about to say the same, maybe add in an interrobang next time for flavor?
Auctally he gets a suspicous dufflebag a makerov and a telebaton from vaultTimonk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 9:37 amshit man shoulda warned him, but i decided against it
yall tripping for calling this metagaming
what he gets from opening the safe is drip, a syndie dufflebag, the champion belt, a swaggy chain and if i remember correctly a single charge of C4. whats metagaming about that? i personally can confirm that he goes to medbay to do medbay stuff with that.
he ghosted out when the HoS arrested him because he wanted to do torture RP, which i understand ghosting out from.
and i like to think that he wouldnt suicide when nothing is in the safe when it isnt obvious hes being fucked with by a guy going QM for the sole reason to fuck with him (what the fuck?)
Krokodil did nothing wrong, and i will die on this hill unless new information comes to light
I walked just past in my blue suit from dorms when you exited itIstoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:23 pm There is no blame to be deflected. Somebody has been going out of their way to stop someone else's "typical strategy". If they had an issue with it, maybe they should have ahelped rather than just blatantly metagame and metagrief?
The issue started with "why you ghost/suicide fnr?", I had reasons, pointed them out. Now we are discussing whether going to vault is right or wrong.
I did ahelp when they got me brigged over sunglasses at round start with a claim that I had broken into the lawyer's office. Never saw them nor anybody around. Vents observed me, nothing came of it. Could have ask how they knew I had stolen them etc.
Lizard rushes vault loot every meta round as assistant(telebaton makerov silencer suspicous dufflebag) doesn't get it suicides.
I saw you exit from lawyer office(from a broken window) when i just passed pay and relayed that information to bradleyIstoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:28 pmCould you be more specific about what you saw? Was there anything particular or was it just quick in and out?
I don't suicide each time the unica doesn't roll in the contrabrand lockerMooCow12 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:27 pm How is this any different from security looting the contraband locker every round that rng rewards them with a gun.
Both locations are (socially) inaccessible, the contraband locker is.... contraband...and the vault safe is locked away...although not specifically labeled contraband it's probably trespass to get into there, the room itself is often used by literally anyone and everyone that wants to link the ore silo and silicons are not reluctant at all to let people in.
This note can kind of be interpreted that round start gamer gear that doesn't belong to a specific job is kind of a policy nightmare.