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viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35858what were they supposed to do, OOCly check if their IC perceptions were correct?
and also something about the captain not being part of sec, i guess.
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viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35858its a doggyBonChoi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:56 pmWhat the fuck is that? What is that???? Oh God I feel awful looking at this... is this how striders feels when someone posts an image of the wet owl??? Ughkinnebian wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:37 pmGod weeps.BonChoi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:26 pm We should start taking bets as to how bmon is going to respond to this appeal thread.
Anyone with adminbus access is not allowed to bet, I also ask that you don't spoil it kthx.
For me it comes down to two options. Bmon sees the err in their ways and overturns the note themselves or they double down and it has to be overturned by headmins (speaking of which if that's after the election results is it decided on by like 6 people? LOL)
My money's on the first option.
Thank you kindly for asking me to not break conduct I was about ready to hm mhm
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
People have alluded to what goes down in adminbus before and that's more of what I was talking about.
Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:36 pm Baseless claims. I have been to the vault minimum of 38 times, how many suicides?
Would be my entire reason for overturning it. Cap, CE and Sec responding to an AI callout in engineering about a heretic. That's the boss of the station, the boss of engineering and a subordinate of the boss of killing antags all responding.From what I saw of the fight which I first hand witnessed it was you(captain), the CE, and a security officer who first responded to the AI's callout that the heretic was in engineering. The CE has more of an excuse to kick the heretics ass since this happened in his department, the security officer is security, and you the captain... I don't understand why you were there. The CE's life isn't really in danger when you're rushing into combat side by side with them, that enough should have been clear to you.
bro even the navy captain in the dead island riptide tutorial doesnt even fight the zombies and just turns into a special infected instead
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑ I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑ ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
joooks wrote:Quoting a legend, at least im not a faggot lolNaloac wrote:
In short, this appeal is denied. Suck my nuts retard.
See you in 12 months unless you blacklist me for this
Timberpoes wrote: ↑ I'm going to admin timonk [...]. Fuck it, he's also now my second host vote if goof rejects.
pikeyeskey13 wrote: ↑ ok don't forget to shove it up your ass lmao oops u can delete this one I just wanted to make sure it went through
Agux909 wrote:Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel
This is, generally, the reason why people tend to dislike him. He's a great admin, funny person, but coddles antags a lot in tickets. Probably an understandable over adjustment from their own antag rounds where they get killed by various crewmembers after cremating security.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:01 pm the optics of being a very well known antag player and then applying note(s) on captains for "validhunting" is insane, btw.
Literally my take on this.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:47 pm I do not want to live in a universe where tgstation MRP doesn't allow Captain Kirk to fight alongside redshirts and Scotty.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:36 pm Baseless claims. I have been to the vault minimum of 38 times, how many suicides?
It wasn't green star, it was yellow.There are many situations where the captain could step in and fill a void which is left by a lack of security, but in this particular round you had a HoS, warden, detective and security officers, a good chunk of which were already chasing the one heretic you had on very calm green star shift. If you are not directly saving someones life you shouldn't get yourself involved with chasing down an antag. As soon as you saw that the heretic wasn't in the process of murdering or abducting someone you should have left it with security to deal with, security was with you at the time
Post this on the ban appeal per clarificationArchie700 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:36 pmFor one, there was no warden. And it wasn't green star, it was yellow.There are many situations where the captain could step in and fill a void which is left by a lack of security, but in this particular round you had a HoS, warden, detective and security officers, a good chunk of which were already chasing the one heretic you had on very calm green star shift. If you are not directly saving someones life you shouldn't get yourself involved with chasing down an antag. As soon as you saw that the heretic wasn't in the process of murdering or abducting someone you should have left it with security to deal with, security was with you at the time
https://statbus.space/rounds/224825
Except there's no ruling on the fact that the captain can't go to a place where a crime is happening on their own initiative when there's an actual antagonist who tried to escape. And captain has security protections, they're able to carry out arrests with the provision that he will be retaliated if it's invalid or wrong.Bmon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 7:36 pm
So the main reason this note was placed is because when we first spoke you seemed to be under the belief that the captain falls under security and therefore is roleplay rule 4 exempt(you can see this in the ticket). That is not true, the captain is subject to RPR 4 like any other role which is not in the security department. The note itself serves as more of a reminder that the captain isn't RPR 4 exempt.
For one, the fact that the CE was actively fighting with the heretic could be considered a life in danger. A CE with a baton against a heretic who has at least the stun hand and has used a knife to teleport is a equal fight, and who knows what else the heretic had as spells.There are many situations where the captain could step in and fill a void which is left by a lack of security, but in this particular round you had a HoS, warden, detective and security officers, a good chunk of which were already chasing the one heretic you had on very calm green star shift. If you are not directly saving someones life you shouldn't get yourself involved with chasing down an antag. As soon as you saw that the heretic wasn't in the process of murdering or abducting someone you should have left it with security to deal with, security was with you at the time.
The notion that a CE's life isn't in danger because he caught the guy in a baton loop when the heretic could get a chance to funny hand and make the CE's life suddenly worse is unbelievable, at best. And telling the captain they should be standing there and watch once the CE stunned the heretic is also pretty foolish - if anything, a heretic that had already been called out for trying to kidnap someone with actual testimony from the would-be kidnappee and ACTUAL EVIDENCE of using magical spells to escape is someone you would assist to stun if possible, if you're already in the area.From what I saw of the fight which I first hand witnessed it was you(captain), the CE, and a security officer who first responded to the AI's callout that the heretic was in engineering. The CE has more of an excuse to kick the heretics ass since this happened in his department, the security officer is security, and you the captain... I don't understand why you were there. The CE's life isn't really in danger when you're rushing into combat side by side with them, that enough should have been clear to you.
The peanut is basically a cope hut and doesn't reallllly have too much input on the ban/note. I'm not saying I agree with it u can read my post in the peanut but it doesn't really affect the ban itself. It could be a good ban even with community copeDrAmazing343 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:13 am The fact that this note was UPHELD even after the insane amount of community support and evidence to the contrary against the note is making this whole thing smell DISTINCTLY of "baby's first Headmin Review" for this new team. Easy fucking slam dunk to overturn, and batshit that is isn't already gone.
I can only hope the peanutting continues in full force, as god intended.
Maybe, but this shouldn't really always be a metric. Peanuts are there for cope/facts that if relevant should make it into the appeal.DrAmazing343 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:24 am Peanuts can 100% be cope huts at times, but on the other side of the same coin, when a bunch of people call out a ban or a note as hot shit, it generally means it’s hot shit.
Another point of note here (heh) is that notes are meant as a way to track behavior or events that could be indicative or a bad-faith playstyle or rule breaks and here it really doesn’t seem like it’s doing legwork for either in a meaningful way given the majority admin consensus that this doesn’t break RPR 4 (at least, visible to me. I don’t know what happens in adminbus) and that xzero is actively attempting to clarify RPR 4 and the matter of capsec.
Both of these point to good faith and quite possibly no rule being broken at all?
All this to say, once again:
FREE MY GIRL
Call me confused but has it even been passed onto the headmins yet? I don't know why you're saying it's being upheld when there's not even really been more than one response from the original admin.DrAmazing343 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:13 am The fact that this note was UPHELD even after the insane amount of community support and evidence to the contrary against the note is making this whole thing smell DISTINCTLY of "baby's first Headmin Review" for this new team. Easy fucking slam dunk to overturn, and batshit that is isn't already gone.
I can only hope the peanutting continues in full force, as god intended.
Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:36 pm Baseless claims. I have been to the vault minimum of 38 times, how many suicides?
Yeah, upheld by bmon. I’m a little bit stupid, don’t mind odd terminology, you’re probably correct.BonChoi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:49 amCall me confused but has it even been passed onto the headmins yet? I don't know why you're saying it's being upheld when there's not even really been more than one response from the original admin.DrAmazing343 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:13 am The fact that this note was UPHELD even after the insane amount of community support and evidence to the contrary against the note is making this whole thing smell DISTINCTLY of "baby's first Headmin Review" for this new team. Easy fucking slam dunk to overturn, and batshit that is isn't already gone.
I can only hope the peanutting continues in full force, as god intended.
E: Not as confused anymore because I know now that you're talking about Bmon holding their ground in the appeal, but still confused on the "upheld" terminology, I thought a note or a ban would be "upheld" only if the admin denied the appeal or if the headmins were called in and they denied the appeal.
Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pmThe Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pmIt would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
i heard if you want to get a portenteous vote you can sacrifice a white cockrel as an offering
kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:36 pm Baseless claims. I have been to the vault minimum of 38 times, how many suicides?
"If you say uncle I'll remove the note"
Istoprocent1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:36 pm Baseless claims. I have been to the vault minimum of 38 times, how many suicides?
That's a pretty uncharitable simplification.
Because they know they're right.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
There is no actual precedent on captain on RSR 4 AND RSR 9.
this is like watching a car crash straight into a brick wall and then some random ass ufo comes out of nowhere and nose dives straight into the wreckage
Captain is not Head of Security. Hope this helps!Archie700 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:56 pmThere is no actual precedent on captain on RSR 4 AND RSR 9.
Whether Captain can't take part in security matters if the station is not in danger has never been debated up to this point, indeed, this is literally the first time.
And when even other MRP admins disagree, this is a conflict. A conflict that can only be solved by policy discussion.
And there it is.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
im just stealing my reply to the policy discussion thread here:
even though this specific entry is about “sea” captains, the rank of “captain” in ss13 comes exactly from that. (starboard, aft, etc are also all terms from naval ship directions)Wikipedia on Sea Captains wrote: A sea captain, ship's captain, captain, master, or shipmaster, is a high-grade licensed mariner who holds ultimate command and responsibility of a merchant vessel. The captain is responsible for the safe and efficient operation of the ship, including its seaworthiness, safety and security, cargo operations, navigation, crew management, and legal compliance, and for the persons and cargo on board.
I'm fine with you posting this here because I can be less serious in a peanut than in policy discussion.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:01 pmim just stealing my reply to the policy discussion thread here:
even though this specific entry is about “sea” captains, the rank of “captain” in ss13 comes exactly from that. (starboard, aft, etc are also all terms from naval ship directions)Wikipedia on Sea Captains wrote: A sea captain, ship's captain, captain, master, or shipmaster, is a high-grade licensed mariner who holds ultimate command and responsibility of a merchant vessel. The captain is responsible for the safe and efficient operation of the ship, including its seaworthiness, safety and security, cargo operations, navigation, crew management, and legal compliance, and for the persons and cargo on board.
i think it’s pretty clear that a captain’s duties lie in security just as much as every other part of the station. with that said, some captain going around with sechuds hunting all the greys would be seen as an incompetent fool because they’re not managing engineering, medical, cargo, etc. - but that becomes an entirely separate issue; it’s no longer about security not being the captain’s lane, it’s about the captain not being fit for the job
edit: if i saw the edit i wouldnt have posted this btw. wasnt sure if u would be looking at that thread or whatever.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
no because that would be both an inappropriate security response and not something serious enough for a captain to be taking their attention away from the station.Vekter wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:08 pmI'm fine with you posting this here because I can be less serious in a peanut than in policy discussion.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:01 pmim just stealing my reply to the policy discussion thread here:
even though this specific entry is about “sea” captains, the rank of “captain” in ss13 comes exactly from that. (starboard, aft, etc are also all terms from naval ship directions)Wikipedia on Sea Captains wrote: A sea captain, ship's captain, captain, master, or shipmaster, is a high-grade licensed mariner who holds ultimate command and responsibility of a merchant vessel. The captain is responsible for the safe and efficient operation of the ship, including its seaworthiness, safety and security, cargo operations, navigation, crew management, and legal compliance, and for the persons and cargo on board.
i think it’s pretty clear that a captain’s duties lie in security just as much as every other part of the station. with that said, some captain going around with sechuds hunting all the greys would be seen as an incompetent fool because they’re not managing engineering, medical, cargo, etc. - but that becomes an entirely separate issue; it’s no longer about security not being the captain’s lane, it’s about the captain not being fit for the job
edit: if i saw the edit i wouldnt have posted this btw. wasnt sure if u would be looking at that thread or whatever.
If a sea vessel with a fully staffed security team had a stowaway, do you really think the captain should be running around with a pistol trying to kill the guy, or would the security team be handling it?
If by 'I'm making shit up as I go while interpreting our existing ruleset in poor faith and doing a bit of historical revisionism on the side' is right, I'm glad to be wrong, regardless of the outcome here.
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/ ... tain.dm#L1TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:48 pm When mindstormy and scriptis gave me a troll ban for not securing the disk and I argued that putting it in the safe was securing it, a code argument was used to show that the disk wasn’t actually secure (since it was in a static position). I don’t see why we can’t use similar code arguments for captain being a member of security since they are impacted by things that only impact security
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"Defending someone else from a violent antagonist" is exactly what the captain was trying to do!You should not act like a vigilante if a security force is present unless you have a good in-character roleplay reason to believe a global or round-ending threat exists. Restricted antags that are not automatically global or round ending threats may still become so through their actions in the shift, the stronger your reasoning the more action you can take against them.
You can always defend yourself and others from violent antagonists.
Either the note is right or wrong (it’s wrong btw). An admin should never essentially say “Admit that I’m right and I’ll remove the note.”
Obviously you sit there and cheer
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