/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:11 am**

I don't really have any plans for them yet, so now is your time to shine forum ideas guys.

Ideally they'll behave like lavaland mobs in that they'll have a unique attack pattern and move in a manner that lets you melee it if you're paying attention. No dumb heat seeking missiles that just run up and hit you like space carp.

I attached sprites for one mob, which also needs ideas. I was thinking of letting it burrow and ambush people as its gimmick, but like I said, I'm open to suggestions.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:14 am**

Mob switches between ranged and melee attacks.
At intervals, will channel an attack.
If a damage threshold isn't broken at this time, he'll gain increased attack and movement speed.

Unaggressive mob until provoked.
Mob cannot move when provoked.
Moving away from melee distance to the mob will cause it to blink to you and slow you.
After this blink attack, you have a short opportunity to get away from him whilst his blink attack is unavaliable.
Spins and deals damage around him when he dies.
If you're below 30% health, all mobs of this kind are aggressive to you.

Conjoined mob (visible rope/tether between them).
One mob will use AOE attacks whilst the other attacks you normally.
Dealing damage to one mob damages the other too.

Charging mob.
At certain thresholds, charges up a charge attack in a certain direction.
Getting hit by the charge damages you and stuns you.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:17 am**

implement that fugu thing that grows in size, maybe give it fancier sprites

skeletons with monkey-tier AI

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:18 am**

PKPenguin321 wrote:
skeletons with monkey-tier AI

I'm looking for organic, non magical things for the jungle.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:19 am**

Kor wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:
skeletons with monkey-tier AI
I'm looking for organic, non magical things for the jungle.

a humanoid monster with an exoskeleton and transparent flesh with monkey-tier AI

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:34 am**

just add the robots from nier

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:40 am**

Looking at the sprites, it reminds me of Lictors from Warhammer 40k. Give em flesh hooks!

Im surprised you havent stolen more content from WH40k death worlds(Catachan being the most obvious) to add to your jungle.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:41 am**

from the OG thread

Qbopper wrote:Off topic from the "this will kill /tg/station", I'm stuck in a car for a few hours and I'm brainstorming stuff for the hypothetical map - specifically monsters that have gameplay impacts beyond "walks up to the station and kills you dead"

Like, what if there's a monster that's attracted specifically to energy/light? if they picked up the scent they'd track down the source, so say you're running from a traitor and notice a pack of them outside. The antag has a dual esword, so you run out and the moron follows you. They see what he's got and swarm him, attacking him until he drops it - then they snatch it and bring it back to their lair. They don't care if you live or die (unless you aggro them by attacking first maybe?) and just want that sweet sweet energy. You can track them down and get it back, maybe they'd be an annoyance all round, stealing light sources/whatever

Or what about a hunter mod that prowls in a pack of one or two - if it sees a crew member it goes in for the attack, but it uses a nonlethal method (maybe a small amount of a chemical per hit that makes you pass out if it hits a threshold? Didn't think about this too hard, maybe would be better if it kept you awakw so you could scream on the radio). Once you're down, it grabs you and begins slowly retreating to its hive, then when it's there it pulls a xenomorph and puts you in some organic bindings. The idea is if you leave your friend to die (because if you go outside alone you're a dumbass) the materials of the binding slowly deal damage until you turn into a nice organic nutrient paste for the hive. You can find where they took them by examining vegetation/looking for tracks (why not make this go for anything?) but the tracks fade over time

EDIT: They could also go after other wildlife on the planet - maybe if you go into the lair and find a monster trapped you could rescue it, changing it's behaviour so that it becomes your friend where it does its own thing, but will generally follow you and attack anyone who attacks you?

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:00 am**

Make the animals get corrupted if they walk into the mist

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:01 am**

Maybe some sort of group scavenger mob that prefers to eat from unguarded corpses, but will swarm and attack targets it "thinks" it can kill if it's hungry enough.
If it's not hungry, it'd probably just try to hide out of sight and wait for things to die and get left behind.

EDIT: oh hmm I didn't read shit you wanted more deadly monsters
How about a monster that blocks damage from anything not behind it, but is vulnerable while, and briefly after, attacking.
Its attacks would have a visible windup and hit area, so dodging would be possible and you'd be able to smack it or try to hit it form behind for bonus damage.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:06 am**

add these little niggas

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:40 am**

Add fugu and the space worm that got gutted.

How about weak but numerous small monsters that call in near monsters when attacked. Think legion skulls but they all converge where the attacker is (think velociraptors.)

How about a monster that takes the form of a random crew member and when locked on a target, slurs and makes their target follow them further into the jungle before breaking their disguise (ala Wendigo.)

Refit ash walkers and make them NPCs that screech autistically and make rounds near certain random areas.

Giant spiders could be retrofitted.

Some sort of lizard pigmy that attacks with ranged poisoned darts.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:29 am**

i have ideas i will maybe sprite 2morrow

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:34 am**

You're making a lot of monsters that sound unbeatable in 1v1, which is what most exploration will be. Don't do that.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:38 am**

What would be interesting is if there were a few rare groups of 'pack' animals, say only one or two of these groups spawn during a match.

These pack animals would hunt and fight together, and establish territory for themselves. However if the corruption begins to encroach on their territory they'll pack up and move away, usually towards the Base.

However, these animals, while still hostile to explorers, would not immediately attack a explorer on first sight. Individually the monsters are weaker than a Human, and while the pack knows that if they attack a healthy human they'll likely win, but some of their number will die, so attacking Humans would be a last resort unless the Human is antagonising the pack intentionally.

The exception being if the corruption has become so overwhelming that the pack will make a suicidal charge into the Human Base for one last desperate grasp at survival, that should be announced before hand (giant roar?).

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:40 am**

So basically space wolves.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:43 am**

ShadowDimentio wrote:You're making a lot of monsters that sound unbeatable in 1v1, which is what most exploration will be. Don't do that.

so then "what most exploration" is will change
there's nothing wrong with encouraging people to maybe not go rambo in every thing they do

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:02 am**

HUGE difference between encouraging people to go in groups so that you can teamplay and having enemies that will near unavoidably kill you if you don't have a buddy to cover you.

Lavaland is this done right. With multiple people you can teamplay and make it much less likely you die, but going solo isn't impossible.

Also what the fuck is the point of going to a new, more open setting where if you exit the compound you get annihilated?

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:27 am**

That's the point, you need teamwork to scavenge for shit, not let the powergamers go alone and make it unscathed.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:59 am**

Yes lets sacrifice exploration in exchange for very slightly inconveniencing powergamers (if at all). That isn't completely wasteful of the new setting at all, and fucking stupid at that. No sir.

Making the jungle and certainly the corruption treacherous is completely to be expected, but don't fucking REQUIRE people to travel together if they don't want to because otherwise you get instadunked, that's not making things difficult it's gating systems behind having a buddy with you and is completely wasteful.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:35 am**

How is it wasteful?

You get more loot and ability to carry it if more people come. You're dropping into an unknown planet, crashing even, not earth. A buddy system to explore the great unknown helps you keep track of yourself, what you need to do.

The whole point of making the jungle dangerous is so we avoid the away mission problem. Not everyone will leave one on one if they know they're likely to die, and if an organized excursion goes out, then at least you know how many people will be missing and fill job and maintenance of the station accordingly.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:36 am**

dumb baseless discussion based on complete hypotheticals and a proven naive sense of the game
keep it in your pants until the time actually comes around to talk about balance (namely when there's actually a product to fucking talk about) shadow

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:46 am**

Idea for an attack pattern: It's slow moving, but has a long arm that reaches out to grab you. If it gets you, it begins pulling you in, slowly dealing small damage by squeezing. If it gets you to the main monster, it starts doing slow but heavily damaging bites. You can attack the arm, but it doesn't do a lot of damage. Attacking the main monster does massive damage. You can escape the arms grab by resisting (RNG chance to break out) or dealing a certain amount of damage to the monster (guaranteed).

Kind of like those things that dangle from the ceiling in half life 2 that latch on and pull you up, only two dimensional.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:50 am**

PKPenguin321 wrote:Idea for an attack pattern: It's slow moving, but has a long arm that reaches out to grab you. If it gets you, it begins pulling you in, slowly dealing small damage by squeezing. If it gets you to the main monster, it starts doing slow but heavily damaging bites. You can attack the arm, but it doesn't do a lot of damage. Attacking the main monster does massive damage. You can escape the arms grab by resisting (RNG chance to break out) or dealing a certain amount of damage to the monster (guaranteed).

Kind of like those things that dangle from the ceiling in half life 2 that latch on and pull you up, only two dimensional.

I like mobs that are fun to sentience, and this is definitely exactly that.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:07 am**

There should totally be roving space monkey groups armed with sticks and rocks.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:22 am**

PKPenguin321 wrote:Idea for an attack pattern: It's slow moving, but has a long arm that reaches out to grab you. If it gets you, it begins pulling you in, slowly dealing small damage by squeezing. If it gets you to the main monster, it starts doing slow but heavily damaging bites. You can attack the arm, but it doesn't do a lot of damage. Attacking the main monster does massive damage. You can escape the arms grab by resisting (RNG chance to break out) or dealing a certain amount of damage to the monster (guaranteed).

Kind of like those things that dangle from the ceiling in half life 2 that latch on and pull you up, only two dimensional.

...

venus human traps then?

I mean they are plants they probably could naturally spawn in the jungle.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:23 am**

stinging trees when?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrocnide_moroides

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:35 pm**

Remie Richards wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:Idea for an attack pattern: It's slow moving, but has a long arm that reaches out to grab you. If it gets you, it begins pulling you in, slowly dealing small damage by squeezing. If it gets you to the main monster, it starts doing slow but heavily damaging bites. You can attack the arm, but it doesn't do a lot of damage. Attacking the main monster does massive damage. You can escape the arms grab by resisting (RNG chance to break out) or dealing a certain amount of damage to the monster (guaranteed).

Kind of like those things that dangle from the ceiling in half life 2 that latch on and pull you up, only two dimensional.
...

venus human traps then?

I mean they are plants they probably could naturally spawn in the jungle.

If you mean the things spawned by kudzu, those are kind of busted and they don't grab and pull you as much as they stun you indefinitely

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:36 pm**

They grab you, they pull you towards them.

What you've described is literally vht.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:03 pm**

I like to call them "Remie Plants", as RR coded them, and they are HILARIOUSLY deadly. They USED to have Xray targeting and could stunlock you through walls!

Oh, but to my suggestion for mobs? G I A N T H O R N E T S. Terraria style, which can fire venomous stingers at their targets to inject the toxin chem. Like all bugs, they REALLY hate fire.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:08 pm**

well look at that, something else related to something I coded.

just have wild bee hives, they already have chems!

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:26 pm**

Shrake.
A scouting party lost in the jungle. Died at the hands of corrupted monsters.
Hours later, they rose again, bodies a mix of jungle life, corruption, and the humanity they once had.
They don't directly "attack", but rather give you stamina damage as they entangle you and sap your health.
If you reach critical condition, the corpse is freed from the corruption as it takes a hold of you, and you are "trapped" inside the body of the mob until someone kills it by chopping the shit out of it.
The longer you fight it, the harder it gets to kill it.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:37 pm**

Here's an old sprite from a discussion older than dismemberment;

you might find a use and a mob for this.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:21 pm**

I remember seeing that sprite in the OP a while back and actually designed a concept around it when the Being gamemode was still floating around. I always wanted something done with it, though, so here's my concept.

Spoiler:

Name: Let's call it the Cigyd
Fluff: It has the Necropolis color scheme but for the venom/acid/green food coloring sacs on its back, so I'd say that it was a carnivorous reptile creature that laired near the Necropolis when it was dormant. When the ship landed and it started spreading, their burrows, and in turn they, were the first to be corrupted. They spawn around the Necropolis itself and are incredibly dangerous, serving as a kind of guardian. I'd place their health at around ash drake levels.
Patterns: It's obviously aggressive. It has a mouth on its goddamn chest. As they were stealthy hunters in their lifetime, I imagine that they'd be in this case, too.

When idle, they burrow into the ground, but they keep their aggro radius. When "pulled" they just don't do anything. The acid sacs (we'll call it acid for now) are visible and luminous. We'll imagine that there's a rare plant that grows in the jungle with really good healing properties - it looks very similar to that plant but with tiny differences.
If an aggroed mob leaves the radius, it loses its patience and bursts out of the ground and charges for them.
If an aggroed mob gets within one tile of the fruit, the Cigyd lunges at them; they have around a third of a second to react, and if they're too slow, the Cigyd grabs them with its chest-mouth-thing and starts munching on them for massive and probably lethal damage unless they can do enough damage to it to force it to stop snacking on them.
Normal attacks consist of it lunging at nearby people with its normal mouth. Its long neck grants it two-tile reach for melee, but its head has very limited degrees of movement.
Moves slowly, maybe goliath-speed, with carp speed when it's charging after someone that's trying to run away. Its weakness is getting behind it and attacking, where its bite can't reach you.
Has a tail swipe that knocks down anyone behind it with minor damage if it's getting harassed too much.
If someone's lying on the ground nearby, it'll prioritize making them its dinner. If it grabs someone with its chest mouth and they're unconscious, they're eaten alive and die. Corpses take ten minutes to digest, during which all of their gear is lost.
Digestions give a HoT that heals the Cigyd for its max health over one minute.
Hitting it with sharp weapons enough will cause its acid sacs to burst, spraying the area in acid and dealing tremendous damage to the Cigyd.
When it falls below 33% health, it retreats at full speed into the treeline, avoiding all others of its kind. It leaves tracks and blood trails that can be tracked down as it rests after its initial flight and limps towards the Necropolis.
If it reaches the Necropolis, it's fully healed and returns to its normal spot. If it's intercepted before then, yay, you can finish it off, because it won't fight back!
Can be butchered on death to leave ungodly amounts of meat for eating (but it's Necropolis-tainted...), plus its acid sacs if they haven't been popped. It leaves three, and each one contains a potent acid that naturally wards of jungle fauna - a remnant of its acidic saliva when it was a normal animal. The acid isn't effective against synthetic materials but destroys carbon very quickly, meaning it's lethal if it's applied to humans, animals, or even other Cigyds.
The acid also has the unique property of inducing docility in other Cigyds, maybe because of their natural instinct to flee when their own acid sacs rupture. Smashing a sac near a burrowed Cigyd will make it completely docile for several minutes, during which you can sever its acid sacs without doing any real damage. You can also sneak past, but doing any damage will break the haze and cause it to attack.

That's just a really quick concept I whipped up. I always like designing encounters and enemies, so if you want more I can post.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:26 pm**

I want to see Cassowaries murdering spessmen.

imblyings wrote:stinging trees when?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrocnide_moroides

I look forward to the Gympie.

Posted: **Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:45 pm**

imblyings wrote:stinging trees when?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrocnide_moroides

I honestly thought it was a meme that everything in Aussieland wants to kill you. Apparently the plants want in on the action too.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:04 am**

Oh okay what if

we have the natural flora and fauna, and then versions corrupted by the necropolis that are significantly more dangerous. That way as the bigbad spreads the natural world becomes more dangerous. Maybe have a necropolis monster that injects mutation toxin into other animals like De Rol Le from PSO episode 1 rather than having them shift when the tile below them changes

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:05 am**

I was going to have the corruption just eat the jungle monsters but I guess transforming them works as well

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:29 am**

It gives an incentive to stop it even if it isn't an immediate threat. If xenobiologists want to go hunt an animal to dissect its corpse, they need to get to it before the Necropolis.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:43 am**

Xhuis wrote:It gives an incentive to stop it even if it isn't an immediate threat. If xenobiologists want to go hunt an animal to dissect its corpse, they need to get to it before the Necropolis.

smart, SMART!

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:04 am**

J_Madison wrote:Here's an old sprite from a discussion older than dismemberment;

you might find a use and a mob for this.

I drew this.

It eventually became this:

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:23 pm**

requesting emu sprites

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:29 pm**

Mobs should drag corpses to their nest and consume them, maybe spawning a new monster, so the outside still serves as corpse disposal for traitors.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:31 pm**

honk honk

but seriously, triffids

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:08 pm**

XDTM wrote:Mobs should drag corpses to their nest and consume them, maybe spawning a new monster, so the outside still serves as corpse disposal for traitors.

Skin or husk the mob but now eat it, so conquering a nest shows all the bodies that was feasted

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:23 pm**

Realistically we are not going to code a complex AI ecosystem, but I think "hunting" could be managed by dropping a carnivores aggro range to 1 tile when it has recently fed, and increasing it as it gets hungrier.

Throw monkey corpses to distract the giant spider.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:32 pm**

We could also go for a monster that's able to replicate using corpses. I know legion hosts can do it, but they are pretty much harmless, unless in large numbers, while I think of something more similar to a chrysalid.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:39 pm**

Jazaen wrote:We could also go for a monster that's able to replicate using corpses. I know legion hosts can do it, but they are pretty much harmless, unless in large numbers, while I think of something more similar to a chrysalid.

Hive full of egg sacks and bodies glued to the wall YES

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:24 pm**

Just curious we do have non aggressive passive mobs that flee when threatened right?

Right?

And where is the predator? We're in a jungle.

Posted: **Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:10 pm**

Pissed off pygmies.

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