Admin Name: Sylphet
Name/Byond Name: Honktide/Trexter555
When and where this incident occured (Game Server, forums, Discord): Bagil
RoundID: 143121
Early on in the round, bunch of people are gathering infront of captain's office asking AI to open, which it didn't, so nobody got in. Later, I got my megaphone stolen so I chase after the guy with a fire extinguisher, accidentally hitting a sec officer once. Got disabler'd, dragged into maint, mask and headset removed, harmbatoned to severe bruising, dragged to brig, thrown in perma. Ahelped for it, got told it was an "ic issue" without being told why. Later, broke out of it. Saw the same seccie in a full riot suit so I started messing with him, punching him a few times (full riotsuit btw), slipped him and pocketed his flash and baton, which almost everyone usually does. Changeling geneticist rolls up, and cuffs the seccie. Cool, he's gonna get succ'd, so I follow them, where I punch the sec officer ONE time, and basically shittalk him. Geneticist slits seccie's throat with a saw, then saws him to death. Sylphet INSTANTLY bwoinks me asking why I "killed a security officer" so I explain that I didn't kill him, punching someone once isn't murdering them, this isn't manuel(sorry manuel mains its the truth) they completely brush this off and keep saying I killed him, then they note me for, and i quote, "Warned - Helped a changeling murder a sec officer who arrested them for legitimate reasons early in the shift. >>>Confrontational in ahelps<<<. Yes, I was a bit confrontational, because of both my earlier ahelp and now that I'm being accused of murdering a security officer for basically punching him once. I'd like to state that I have no ill will towards Sylphet, they're a trialmin, and I feel that making this complaint will both either clear the note/make it more informational, and help them be a better admin in the future.
[Trexter555] Sylphet - Bad note for an invalid reason
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[Trexter555] Sylphet - Bad note for an invalid reason
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Re: [Trexter555] Admin Complaint: Sylphet - Bad note for an invalid reason
cobby is a stupid bastard that feeds be incorrect information at all costs, readding everything now
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Re: [Trexter555] Sylphet - Bad note for an invalid reason
Hi - Let's go through this post, and hopefully I can explain my thought processes a little bit better than I did in game. https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/143121
Your story about the fight mostly checks out.
I'm usually comfortable standing behind my actions as an admin, but this one doesn't feel right. Because of my poor handling of both of these tickets, I'm going to lift this note.
My understanding of the situation here is that the sec officer was ordered by the captain to arrest you for breaking into the bridge, which he did. Whether the bridge break-in actually happened, I don't think that the sec officer knew either way. From their perspective, with the information that they had in this game built on misinformation, you had done something that made you valid for death or perma, under our rule 1 precedents :Early on in the round, bunch of people are gathering infront of captain's office asking AI to open, which it didn't, so nobody got in. Later, I got my megaphone stolen so I chase after the guy with a fire extinguisher, accidentally hitting a sec officer once. Got disabler'd, dragged into maint, mask and headset removed, harmbatoned to severe bruising, dragged to brig, thrown in perma. Ahelped for it, got told it was an "ic issue" without being told why.
This is why I ruled it an IC issue. What I didn't know at the time is that the sec officer had harmbatonned you and stolen your headset. Looking back, I should have warned them against doing something like this, the sec officer was abusive, especially now knowing that they did it to several other people who weren't suspected of breaking into the bridge. While you were valid for that treatment, the others were not and he should have seen consequences for acting that way. I should absolutely have communicated it better in game, and I admit fault on that, but I stand by the fact that the first part of this was an IC issue, because they had that limited information and a direct order from the captain.Players who attempt to break into the captain's office, head of personnel's office, or the bridge at or near roundstart for no legitimate reason put themselves at risk for being legitimately killed by the captain, heads of staff, or security.
Logs for the fight -Later, broke out of it. Saw the same seccie in a full riot suit so I started messing with him, punching him a few times (full riotsuit btw), slipped him and pocketed his flash and baton, which almost everyone usually does. Changeling geneticist rolls up, and cuffs the seccie. Cool, he's gonna get succ'd, so I follow them, where I punch the sec officer ONE time, and basically shittalk him. Geneticist slits seccie's throat with a saw, then saws him to death.
Spoiler:
I think that it would have been better to say that by attacking the sec officer, you put them in a position where they were easy prey for the changeling, which is definitely not the same as killing them. The reason that I bwoinked you immediately, is because the sec officer ahelped it immediately. I was handling another ticket at the time, not watching over you with my finger on the ban button. Because of my earlier ruling, this looked to me as if you had hunted down the sec officer and murdered them in retaliation for doing their job, which, from our escalation policy :Sylphet INSTANTLY bwoinks me asking why I "killed a security officer" so I explain that I didn't kill him, punching someone once isn't murdering them, this isn't manuel(sorry manuel mains its the truth) they completely brush this off and keep saying I killed him, then they note me for, and i quote, "Warned - Helped a changeling murder a sec officer who arrested them for legitimate reasons early in the shift.
So this looked to me like a serious problem, no ? Like I said earlier, I feel that the first arrest was legitimate, given the false information. That's why the bwoink was so quick. Here, I should have gotten a better understanding of the situation before bwoinking you, because that caused my next mistake :You can't kill or maim security for trying to arrest you for legitimate reasons.
This is absolutely justified on your part. What I feel that I did wrong here is that I didn't communicate to you well enough why I ruled the initial ticket an IC issue. I also should have bwoinked the sec officer over his treatment of the other people on station. I didn't have a fully clear understanding of the situation, and I was also too confrontational myself. It's not exactly surprising, and completely fair, that you were too.>>>Confrontational in ahelps<<<. Yes, I was a bit confrontational, because of both my earlier ahelp and now that I'm being accused of murdering a security officer for basically punching him once.
I'm usually comfortable standing behind my actions as an admin, but this one doesn't feel right. Because of my poor handling of both of these tickets, I'm going to lift this note.
Tell me how much you think that I should be thrown out of the nearest airlock !
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 37&t=27175
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 37&t=27175
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Re: [Trexter555] Sylphet - Bad note for an invalid reason
thanks, i probably could've handled everything ic and ooc better, and you didn't deserve to get yelled at by a literal clown. i'll be retracting this complaint then if thats how it works
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Re: [Trexter555] Sylphet - Bad note for an invalid reason
Alright - sorry again for my handling of this. If no one has anything to add, this can be closed whenever.
Tell me how much you think that I should be thrown out of the nearest airlock !
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 37&t=27175
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 37&t=27175
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Re: [Trexter555] Sylphet - Bad note for an invalid reason
Complaint retracted, what a wonderful resolution.
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