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yond account and character name: Sideburns, Beardbeard Godslayer/Majoric Chevalier/Kor Phaeron
Banning admin: jordie0608
Ban type (What are you banned from?): Server
Ban reason and length: Beardbeard - ban evasion + multiple failed attempts at probation
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 5:12:53
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): None
Your side of the story: I would like to note that it wasn't a ban evasion, I went on a few days ago to get my ban message again for another appeal and found that I was able to connect. I assumed there was some sort of New Year Ban Clearout and went with it. I didn't hide who I was in any way.
Why you think you should be unbanned: It's been five years and I'm a better man. A good man. A man's best friend man. I played for several days without insanely murdering anyone or otherwise fucking anyone over, except one time when I hopped into a giant inferno and killed only myself and some floor tiles. Before anyone comes in and locks this I would like to mention that even Kor and MSO were aware of my existence without banning me, and that jordie told me to go ahead and appeal. Thank and god bless.

Reposting this because I was told to do so when there were new head admins. I think a fairly strong argument has been made for releasing me from prison after 5 years.

Please release my dear friend Beardbeard Godslayer, I can vouch for his character and only have the best things to say.

I mean we unbanned terbs and tonto, at worst he is gonna grief for one round then get permabanned again which isn't really that bad. Worth a shot

FREE

THE

BEARD

Sometinyprick wrote:I mean we unbanned terbs and tonto, at worst he is gonna grief for one round then get permabanned again which isn't really that bad. Worth a shot

probably relevant: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 34#p313496

imblyings wrote:<ausleeping> someone has thought exactly the same thing
<ausleeping> but then beardbeard got repermad
<ausleeping> someone also thought this exact same thing 'well we can just ban him again if he acts up' before that
<ausleeping> and before that
<ausleeping> it's a cunning argument
<ausleeping> but one that repeats itself if you believe in it
<ausleeping> must be like domestic violence if making sprites go horizontal was comparable

go play somewhere else for a few months, if you can use the trickster spirit to trick admins from another server to vouch for you then you can appeal here again with more chance of success

For what it's worth I did do the thing where I get an admin from another server to vouch for me and was ignored. It has also been 5 years since I was banned.

and yet you're still here for some reason which is probably entirely down to bad faith

The reason is that I like this game and want to play it with people who aren't goons.

In all seriousness I think at this point the main reason that some people want me to stay banned is a personal investment in the matter, like they'll lose if I'm allowed to play again. Earlier this year when I made the appeal, I actually thought I was unbanned because I was able to log in and play just fine. I made no effort to hide who I was and did not do anything to get banned during that time. I was only banned because someone figured I still should be.

peeps gonna be mad at me for saying this but i wanna give him another try, we accidently gave him another chance and he did everything we expect normal players to do

lets hear from the other head admins

mysteryman sideburns wrote:In all seriousness I think at this point the main reason that some people want me to stay banned is a personal investment in the matter, like they'll lose if I'm allowed to play again. Earlier this year when I made the appeal, I actually thought I was unbanned because I was able to log in and play just fine. I made no effort to hide who I was and did not do anything to get banned during that time. I was only banned because someone figured I still should be.

how can you even say this when this is pretty much also exactly what was said last time, you got unbanned, instantly griefed to get yourself rebanned and then claim it's for some other reason

NikNakFlak wrote:

mysteryman sideburns wrote:In all seriousness I think at this point the main reason that some people want me to stay banned is a personal investment in the matter, like they'll lose if I'm allowed to play again. Earlier this year when I made the appeal, I actually thought I was unbanned because I was able to log in and play just fine. I made no effort to hide who I was and did not do anything to get banned during that time. I was only banned because someone figured I still should be.

how can you even say this when this is pretty much also exactly what was said last time, you got unbanned, instantly griefed to get yourself rebanned and then claim it's for some other reason

you know when niknak puts it like this maybe it's just time for you to respect the blacklist and move on

That was, again, 5 years ago.

I've lost track of all the unbans and rebans, but I was pretty sure you were given a legit shot at one point and purposefully got yourself rebanned. I'm also fairly certain it wasn't that long ago but I honestly can't keep track.
Nobody really cares at all about your ban except you just do something to get it reapplied everytime this comes up or something. Besides the wine, you are almost a literally who

I don't recall any unbans since 2013 that were intentional. And I spent 2 or 3 days without getting banned when something messed up and I was allowed in earlier this year.

I guess I'm mixing stuff up in a combination with your story, looked it up and goddamn that was in 2013. It turned out you did grief while you were unbanned for some fluke and hg rebanned you. I feel like I'm missing something but I'm too lazy to find your old appeals. No reason to keep you banned but what ausops said also has some merit. Take it away headmins

I genuinely do just want to play again and have no intention of being a bad man to people.

I just want to hear more from people who KNOW you, and what they think on how you're doing in recent compared to your history

old thread, has pretty much any old relevant information https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 72#p374202
just so people can see and read because I honestly forgot everything and to re-read this stuff too

>trying to turn it as something personal on the end of people who banned you

Hmm

Look you might have changed but what i said still holds true. Maybe someone more naive will give you your 2xth chance but they're gonna risk being the 2xth idiot to unban you.

imblyings wrote:>trying to turn it as something personal on the end of people who banned you

Hmm

Look you might have changed but what i said still holds true. Maybe someone more naive will give you your 2xth chance but they're gonna risk being the 2xth idiot to unban you.

I may have worded it a bit poorly but I do kind of feel that way. Even NikNak isn't screaming to have me extra banned. As for the second part, I hardly think there's going to be a great deal of egg on someone's face for giving a man an, er, 24th chance after 5 years.

On one hand people can change a lot in 5 years.
On the other hand, it's 2beard.

It's been five years my dudes, people do less time for manslaughter. Give the poor guy a chance to show that he's past that childish garbage and has matured into a proper gaymer.

Barre wrote:It's been five years my dudes, people do less time for manslaughter. Give the poor guy a chance to show that he's past that childish garbage and has matured into a proper gaymer.

Thank you for the input fellow legitimate tg player with 0 posts before this.

leibniz wrote:

Barre wrote:It's been five years my dudes, people do less time for manslaughter. Give the poor guy a chance to show that he's past that childish garbage and has matured into a proper gaymer.

Thank you for the input fellow legitimate tg player with 0 posts before this.

If it makes you feel any better I had 188 posts on the old forums. I just never bothered re-registering after the switch.

leibniz wrote:

Barre wrote:It's been five years my dudes, people do less time for manslaughter. Give the poor guy a chance to show that he's past that childish garbage and has matured into a proper gaymer.

Thank you for the input fellow legitimate tg player with 0 posts before this.

He hasn't played since before the new forum was made but he is a legitimate player.

Can vouch I remember seeing his name vaugely on oldforums

iamgoofball wrote:Can vouch I remember seeing his name vaugely on oldforums

I appreciate that although it's unnecessary. The old forums have been archived and anyone can easily confirm that I was registered there. The keenest of you will also notice that I used a slightly different name, there's a reason for that. You see, I actually misremembered my own username (it's pretty embarrassing and I'm not too proud of that so please do not make fun of me). I know that might seem suspicious to some of you but as soon as your byond account authentication server thingy goes back online I will link my byond account with my forum account and prove that I am an old member of this community.

Now can we please stop talking about me and start talking about Beardbeard?

He was given tempmin while I was online and he behaved well. If he wanted to grief he was given the ultimate opportunity to do so and he did not. I think that speaks to his character.

BeeSting12 wrote:He was given tempmin while I was online and he behaved well. If he wanted to grief he was given the ultimate opportunity to do so and he did not. I think that speaks to his character.

Well the first thing he did was permaban me

That said, I'm neutral

He's not like, emotionally unstable or anything like that. If he had an actual personality disorder like some people here I'd be against it, but he was just a dumb troll like half the people here.

the fuck is with the peanut posting in here.

Swarge rallying the troops again

Stickymayhem wrote: Well the first thing he did was permaban me

You declared yourself unbannable, I had to save you from a dangerous path of hubris.

oranges wrote:the fuck is with the peanut posting in here.

Swarge rallying the troops again

Armhulen asked for people who know me to post.

mysteryman sideburns wrote:For what it's worth I did do the thing where I get an admin from another server to vouch for me and was ignored.

Could you tell us which server(s) you played on? Even if you were ignored we can hopefully go to that server and ask for your history there.

Owegno wrote:

mysteryman sideburns wrote:For what it's worth I did do the thing where I get an admin from another server to vouch for me and was ignored.

Could you tell us which server(s) you played on? Even if you were ignored we can hopefully go to that server and ask for your history there.

At this point I don't remember. It might have been Paradise but I don't know.

Alrighty, I can try and check with them. Do you know which account of yours you used?

Either Flensing or Sideburns, my original account is lost to the passage of time.

I checked with Paradise and you were correct I think. They say you played there for two weeks in July 2017 (which is after you were told to go play on another server) and only had a few minor notes for stripping a disconnected player and minor self antagging. I'll leave it up to the headmins to interpret this information.

This is a funny appeal. If I understand correctly, the bans that occurred between 2013-2018 were just rebans for "ban evading." Ban evading is bad but it's also kinda of a self-fulfilling prophecy since you're just constantly going to get banned for it and then people use that as further reasoning about why you should stay banned. Eventually, the ban just means nothing 5 years from now. Of course, I would never encourage people to ban evade but the original ban behind the "ban that was ban evaded from" has probably lost all meaning (additionally, the original ban might have been for something that may be allowed now.) Has he actually done anything wrong in the server other than just ban evading within the past 5 years? Two weeks on paradise station isn't much but it's indeed something to show he plays.

I'm leaning on accepting this appeal as of now unless anyone provides information about something he's done wrong within the past 5 years. Of course, this doesn't mean that ban evading is going to help anyone case but if 5 years pass by then I suppose we can hear the person out.

2beard's blacklist status has been removed because evading kinda seems out there considering the other offences the other entries have.

The ban still stands until headmins decide.

I would like to note that I have never once ban evaded. For one reason or another the ban just stopped applying once or twice, and I only found out when I went to make an appeal.

I'll let this sit for a little bit since it's a hot-button but I don't really see any reason to not unban you without probation. Nobody seems to be able to tell me anything else other than the terrible things you did in 2013. While it is understandable that we can hold you to your actions back then, the fact that we have a system that removes notes and bans from being seen after 6 months shows that the server has been trying to make it so that the things that you've done in the past will not haunt you forever. You may have done bad things back then but people have been in jailed for real crimes with less time on their sentence.

Alright.

We discussed this at some length and yes you've received a tonne of bans in the past. However from what we can see these were all half a decade ago or longer. So guess what we are going to give you another chance because it has been such a long time.

Re-read the rules, play nicely. Admins are going to be naturally skeptical of your actions. If you haven't changed I'm sure you realise you will find yourself quickly permabanned again for an even longer period of time.

There once was a player named 2beard
who all the old admins did fear
he was banned six times
once more will be fine
in six months he'll have reappeared!