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Armhulen wrote:That already happens and it's pretty sick yo! In ban appeals and the like there are some logs that are raw only like href logs and players or admins can use those in ban appeals if it's relevant (players asking admins for some href logs of course instead of just grabbing it themselves, they still need to be pruned like normal)

I was thinking more of an automated process. What if you're not making an appeal? Just somewhere a player can request logs for a round, give their reason, and then game admins can accept or deny the request and do the necessary pruning. Probably wouldn't be public.

Of course if admins are going to go through the effort it begs the question of, why not just report whatever behavior you are looking into to them in the first place? I'd understand if headmins didn't want to engage in another level of bureaucracy, since at the end of the day it's a game community and the administration regulates itself seemingly well enough already.

Just spitballing since people were talking about greater transparency.

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transparency is unrealistic
no inactive admins is unrealistic
headmins causing meaningful change is unrealistic

the song and dance is getting old, do we really need a different name & avatar to say "no" at the end of every ban appeal and 90% of policy threads?
now design lead, thats a role that might be deserving of a occasional election..................

Kel wrote:...to say "no" at the end of every ban appeal and 90% of policy threads?

I've wanted to say this for a long time, yet there hasn't been an opportunity to until now.
Coconutwarrior giving his opinion along with his "yes" or "no" is pointless if the other 2 headmins don't do it. It's simply a repeat of what's been said in his post, just said in a "i think that...' way. Unless the other 2 decide to also give their why, it's just... pointless. It feels like fake transparency.

trollbreeder wrote:

Kel wrote:...to say "no" at the end of every ban appeal and 90% of policy threads?

I've wanted to say this for a long time, yet there hasn't been an opportunity to until now.
Coconutwarrior giving his opinion along with his "yes" or "no" is pointless if the other 2 headmins don't do it. It's simply a repeat of what's been said in his post, just said in a "i think that...' way. Unless the other 2 decide to also give their why, it's just... pointless. It feels like fake transparency.

More of this in policy/ban threads could be a nice thing to see in the future, a little meat on the bones to help people that might not understand the viewpoint. Nothing crazy, just that little 'I think' from everyone. It goes a long way.

There isn't really some radical way to improve things like some platforms say they'll do in a single term and then unsurprisingly fail to do, or don't make it far enough to do. But what they can do is just improve and build on what's already there for the next term. Like including those little 'I thinks'.

A current example being the promotion of dynamic as a gamemode this term which most importantly led to others taking the torch and improving it codewise. Now look at it, its actually getting useable for us. Considering that though it won't be perfect by the end of the current term, and maybe not be perfect at the end of the next either, but it will be better and easier to work with for them.

All that said, there's just no point in trying to build a house if the foundation isn't there for it, right?

imagine paying attention to politics

Kel wrote:transparency is unrealistic
no inactive admins is unrealistic
headmins causing meaningful change is unrealistic

I dunno actually we're at an all time high for transparency, all time low for inactive mins, and adminbus in nothing like how honestly hostile and shitty it used to get. The upward trend has always made admins more accountable and less trouble for actual player experience.

So ya quiet term but good term! Not every one can do a manny

Kel wrote: now design lead, thats a role that might be deserving of a occasional election..................

don't kid yourself, if you'd like a server where they're bogged down by having to vote on controversial features that are ultimately beneficial to the game then i suggest bee

to be fair that's not what they suggested, they suggested voting for someone with an overall vision which is not the same as voting on every PR.

However it would have problems with populism, consider, if we held an election right at this moment for one, the person who promised to remove combat mode would win handily.

That means that any such elected official could only make changes stick in the early parts of their term, where time will heal the old wounds, either that or you need special handling where a design lead cant roll back changes made in the back half of a previous leads term until they enter their own back half and you'd want terms on the order of a year or longer.

Not impossible, but easier to just assume we already react to the viewpoint of the players, even if we don't always compromise on some items.

Armhulen wrote:

Kel wrote:transparency is unrealistic
no inactive admins is unrealistic
headmins causing meaningful change is unrealistic

I dunno actually we're at an all time high for transparency, all time low for inactive mins, and adminbus in nothing like how honestly hostile and shitty it used to get. The upward trend has always made admins more accountable and less trouble for actual player experience.

So ya quiet term but good term! Not every one can do a manny

Big +1 here.

Kel wrote:transparency is unrealistic
no inactive admins is unrealistic
headmins causing meaningful change is unrealistic

the song and dance is getting old, do we really need a different name & avatar to say "no" at the end of every ban appeal and 90% of policy threads?
now design lead, thats a role that might be deserving of a occasional election..................

I think the problem here is that the system sort of requires all 3 to actually show up to go "yeah we voted".

Ban appeals should only need 3 if there's a tie breaker (hell if it goes for ~2 weeks without heads showing up just let any one head resolve it).
Policy should only need 2 if the third one doesn't show after a set amount of time
And so on - the practice of waiting for all 3 to come to a decision is what makes everything take forever.

oranges wrote: However it would have problems with populism, consider, if we held an election right at this moment for one, the person who promised to remove combat mode would win handily.

this is more or less what i was trying to convey yeah

wesoda25 wrote:Dezu or jimmius i will not be putting money on this

should’ve put money on it FUCK

wesoda25 wrote:

wesoda25 wrote:Dezu or jimmius i will not be putting money on this

should’ve put money on it FUCK

What a shame you didn't. Was feeling the same way for it too honestly.

i thought it was going to be exavere or hugs.

regardless i look forward to the stability of our future triumvirate.

incorrectly guessing,
bobbah 'bee' brown

Jimmius is a good choice for headmin

who the fuck is Jimminus

oranges wrote:to be fair that's not what they suggested, they suggested voting for someone with an overall vision which is not the same as voting on every PR.

However it would have problems with populism, consider, if we held an election right at this moment for one, the person who promised to remove combat mode would win handily.

That means that any such elected official could only make changes stick in the early parts of their term, where time will heal the old wounds, either that or you need special handling where a design lead cant roll back changes made in the back half of a previous leads term until they enter their own back half and you'd want terms on the order of a year or longer.

Not impossible, but easier to just assume we already react to the viewpoint of the players, even if we don't always compromise on some items.

this is actually an interesting idea, though i think ultimately it wouldnt work in the long term because design lead has historically had a higher burnout rate than headmin and we don't have enough people with the sheer iron will to survive it. we'd run out of good candidates within 2 or 3 terms at best, and if we get a bad candidate elected then the game is just fucked for a straight year

pkp doing it for free

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:pkp doing it for free

wrong. i pay pkp 5$ in walmart gift cards for each message removed

Noooo! My glorious high effort improvement to the formatting of gravelposting!

Yeah I thought gravelposting was looking slick at first I wondered if it was a screenshot of a different post perhaps from another forum but no it had BBcode and everything

kopoba wrote:what headmins even doing? just voting yes or no on ban appeals?

• They decide policy and rules text
• Post policy notices to admins to try and bring some consistency to admin rulings. (if you think this isn't working, instead consider how much worse it would be if they weren't doing this)
• Handle permission book keeping stuff on discord, the game servers, and the forums.
• Control policy and gameplay related configs on the server.
• Advise on gameplay or policy disruptive Pull Requests
• Decide on all admin appointments 3 times (once when being added as a candidate, again when going to trial, and finally after reviewing their trial review thread to promote to fullmin.)
• Handle admin complaints and mentor/coach admins on better approaches (or demoting when appropriate).
• Oh ya, and give ban appeals a second thought.

XivilaiAnaxes wrote: Ban appeals should only need 3 if there's a tie breaker (hell if it goes for ~2 weeks without heads showing up just let any one head resolve it).
Policy should only need 2 if the third one doesn't show after a set amount of time
And so on - the practice of waiting for all 3 to come to a decision is what makes everything take forever.

I will point out that each term basically decides these kinds of things at the start of the term.

They also differentiate between informed majority votes and uninformed majority votes, where the former requires waiting a reasonable amount of time for all 3 headmins to weigh in before deciding, and the latter allowing 1 headmin to find another who agrees with them without even waiting to hear the 3rd's view.

Such charters might look something like this:

Policy Discussion - Informed vote.
Admin Complaints - Informed vote.
Ban Appeals - Uninformed vote, unless the ban is controversial which should be an informed vote.
Promotion to Trial - Unanimous.
Promotion to Game Admin - Unanimous.
Candidating - Unanimous.

It strikes me that posts like this should probably live somewhere for people to review from time to time, instead of being in peanut threads

oranges wrote:It strikes me that posts like this should probably live somewhere for people to review from time to time, instead of being in peanut threads

sir this is a PRE ELECTION THREAD (official) and not a peanut thread

sincerely,
bobbah 'bee' brown

bobbahbrown wrote: sir this is a PRE ELECTION THREAD (official) and not a peanut thread

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oranges wrote:It strikes me that posts like this should probably live somewhere for people to review from time to time, instead of being in peanut threads

I wouldn't mind a reference of what the different roles generally do being someplace for people to look at either. I have a hard time seeing any drawbacks to it, but there might be one or two.

Is deedubya going to run?

make sure to vote Brick Carr

oranges wrote:It strikes me that posts like this should probably live somewhere for people to review from time to time, instead of being in peanut threads

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 38&t=28546

Make the decision charter public next term

Timonk wrote:Make the decision charter public next term

No.

It is overall bad for Transparency if every time a little bit of previously opaque info becomes transparent, everybody calls for related things they now know about to also be transparent. It will only lead to everybody being more resistant to transparency.

"charters" at least when I was in term weren't even very official, basically if I wanted to do something I would just dm a fellow headmin for approval and bc you only need majority vote i wouldnt even bother with the third headmin (usually because he was inactive anyways)

PKPenguin321 wrote:"charters" at least when I was in term weren't even very official, basically if I wanted to do something I would just dm a fellow headmin for approval and bc you only need majority vote i wouldnt even bother with the third headmin (usually because he was inactive anyways)

The first time it was called a charter was in my post. They just exist as a pinned message with no fanfare

Leaking headmin-bus smh.

Domitius wrote:Leaking headmin-bus smh.

shadow gov mad

charter does make it sound like something we want to have

we need a sec main headmin so that they can validhunt all the evil rulebreakers

The charter acts as our agreement of how autonomous we're going to be as well as a promise that we're going to ping each other several dozen times a night when whoever is trying to sleep.

Making a point of publishing "Yeah we're going to work together" is just needless busy work over an internal formality.

we need to draft a constitution

Rohesie wrote:we need to draft a constitution

this but unironically
i'll start and every post can add up to once sentence


WE THE GAMERS

terranaut wrote:

Rohesie wrote:we need to draft a constitution

this but unironically
i'll start and every post can add up to once sentence


WE THE GAMERS

Want terranaut hung

thehogshotgun wrote:

terranaut wrote:

Rohesie wrote:we need to draft a constitution

this but unironically
i'll start and every post can add up to once sentence


WE THE GAMERS

Want terranaut hung

i'm pretty hung already but thanks for considering me

Rohesie wrote:we need to draft a constitution

We already have one.

Presenting the John Oxfordstitution


The fucking socialism conspiracys end here! *gavel smack*

Preamble
Essentially, this removes all the room for ANYONE to be shitheads/corrupt bastards withen the politcal/adminstration side of tg. By basically installing some good ol' fasion fucking democracy.

ADMIN RESHUFFLEING [S.1A]
Elections [S.1B]*
All admins/moderators are removed from the txt
All Coders/Spriters/Mappers titles are compressed down to "Developer"
A election for 1 Head Developer is ran.
A election for 1 Head Admin is ran.
A election for 20 in-game adminstrators is ran.
A election for 15 in-game moderators is ran.
A election for 10 developers is ran.
A election for 25 fourm admins is ran.
A election for 20 fourm moderators is ran.
A election for 15 admin trainers is ran.*

*Admin Trainers are selected from the current pool of retired/veteran admins. If the quota of 15 is not met, they are selected from the pool of current adminsistrators.

*No rank may run for more than 2 consecutive terms. However many terms you served, is the length that you cannot serve. (IE: I serve 2 3 month terms, i must wait 6 months [2 terms] to run for elections again])

*Hosts are cycled every 9 months, if there is no one willing to be the host, the host will remain at his rank. If the host is stripped of his rank, The head admin becomes host. All head admins must be willing to become the host at any period in time

*Elections will be created on a strawpoll, by the host, each election has 7 days to run, The winner is elected at the end of the 7 days, if its a tie, a revote lasting 2 days is created. The winner of that gets the positon.

ADMIN COMPLAINTS [S.2A]
Once a complaint is made, the affiliated admin is deadmin'd untill the complaint is resolved.
The adminstration team must remain completely unbiasd when dealing with the complaint, attempting to gather as much information as possible from the complainer.
The adminstration team will then make a decision, boiling it down to a 2 option decission. (Generally accepting or denying the appeal, other actions may be taken)
Once the decission is made, it will be sent to the player council. 2/3rds of the council must approve the complaint decission for it to pass.
If the complaint is deemed reasonable, and is a logical complaint, in favor of the complainer. The affiliated admin is deadminned, and may not serve the rest of their term, or the following term after that.
If the complaint is deemed unreasonable, the affected admin is promoted back to their original rank, and verbally compensated. the complainer is sent a message explaining why this is a case, and given several solutions on what could be done to improve the situation.

BAN APPEALS [S.3A]
The banned player creates a appeal.
The adminstrative team determines if it is a valid appeal, gathering as much information in the fourm post as possible (Yes or No determination)
The descsion from the admin team is sent to the council, a 2/3rds vote from the council is needed to confirm the decission.
If the decission is reached, in favor of the banned player, the player is unbanned, and compensated with a cool, non protective hat for one round. And the admin who banned him recieves a period of deadmin ship equal to the time that the player served in a banned status.
If the decission is reached that the player was wrong, by both the council and adminstration team, the players ban time is doubled, if it is a perma ban, the player may only re-appeal 6 months from the last appeal

BAN REQUESTS [S.3-AA]
The requestee creates a request.
The adminstrative team determines the cause, and creates a verdict, gathering as much information as possible. The paperwork sent to the council should include the ban time, ban reason, and modifiers.
The verdict from the admin team is then sent to the council, the council votes if they should deny the appeal, or accept the appeal.
The council must have a 2/3rds vote on the final verdict.
If the vote passes, with 2/3rds of the council agreeing, the requested players are banned for the reason caused.
NOTE: The council may not modify the ban time, but may decline it, and send it back to the admin team with a requested ban time.

THE COUNCIL [S.4A]
In the case that a 2/3rds vote is not reached due to the council members not voting, the ones who did not vote will be removed from the council, and may not serve on the same term. Their slots are then filled by a immidate election for council members.
If the ejected council member spots are not filled withen 3-7 busniess days, the head adminstrator will be contacted to make a decission.
If the head adminstrator is unavalible, the appeal is automatically accepted in favor of the appealee.
Council members do not answer ahelps, and do not have admin powers, they only have a in-game rank title, and access to the asay verb, to be able to communicate in game with the adminstration team.
Corruption/Bribery [S.4B]
If a council member is suspected of corruption/bribery by a player/other council member/admin, they are stripped of the ability to vote, and they're ingame powers and rank.
The adminstrative team will investigate the afilliated council members/players
If it is deemd that the Council member recieved a offer to be bribed, but denied it, the player/admin/council member who sent the bribe will be banned in game for 2 weeks, and barred from politcal positions.
If it is deemd that the Council member recieved a bribe, and accepted it, both will be banned for 1 month, and barred from politcal decissions.
Corruption follows the same proceedures as the admin team, see: Section 5B
Blackmailing [2.4C]
Council members suspected of recieving blackmail, will temporaily be stripped of rank to preserve the tranquility of the political body that is /tg/station.
The adminstrative team will then investigate if the council member has been black mailed.
If the council member has been blackmailed, the player/admin/council member that blackmailed him will be banned from the server for 2 weeks, and barred from joinning politcal positions.
If the council member has not been blackmailed, the council member will regain his rank after what he has been blackmailed with is deemed to no longer be able to be used to blackmail him.

THE ADMINSTRATION TEAM [S.5A]
Corruption [S.5B]
Any sign of corruption determined by the council or players, will be investigated by the council.
If deemed corrupt, affiliated admins will be deadmin'd, and they're spots will remain empty until the end of the term. The affiliated admins may not serve the term after their deadminship.
The adminstration team must remain absolutely professional at all times, breaking this is terms for a period of power removal, varrying in time for the action preformed.
Button pushing / spamming events, (Determined by the council/players) is cause for power removal for a extended period of time (6 months+)
Abuse, is cause for permanent admin removal (Determined by other admins/council/players) This is run through a vote in the council, 2/3rds of the council must deem it abuse. If the verdict is deemed true, affected admin is stripped of his power, and barred from ever serving a term as a admin/council member.

Blackmailing [S.5C]
Follows the same proceedure as the council, see Section 2.4 C

EVENTS [S.5-AA]
All events that are created, must be ran through the council to be approved.
If your event is not approved, and you run it, you will recieve a 6 month event ban. Disallowing you from making events, even if they are approved.
Hosting another unapproved event results in a 2 week server ban, and being stripped of your rank, you may not run for the same position until 2 terms have passed (Including the one you are currently in)


CHAIN OF COMMAND[S.6A]
The Host The Host leads the adminstrative team, trains the adminstrative team, and insures they are kept to a high standard, he also trains newly elected head admins. He has a vote in the adminstrative team votes, he cannot overturn votes from the adminstrative team, he cannot discharge admins/mods without going through a process (This disincludes dire circumstances IE: The admin is destroying/DDOSing the server) He is responsible for managing elections, and insuring this entire system doesn't turn into one big clusterfuck.
TERM LENGTH: 9 MONTHS

The Head Admin The Head Admin is the second in command of the admin team, sharing most of the responsabilitys of the Host, that's why he will be trained by the host. This should generally be a polite, friendly, intelligent, and well-respected player. A player who is also capable of getting the job done
TERM LENGTH: 4 MONTHS

The Head Developer Responsible for keeping track of github updates, and updating the changelog, is also responsible for finding bugs and fixing them. He leads the dev team, and is mainly responsible for keeping them in track. This player should generally be experienced in NTSL, Spriting, and mapping. Also capable of handling exploits, ect ect.

The Council Leader This is one person elected by the council, they are equal to the council, but are generally the most active. They are responsible for communicating with the players and admin team, insuring all the information/vote decissions are communicated between every individual. He is also responsable for keeping and transfering all the appeals and paperwork between the admin team and council. All the rules that apply to the council, also apply to him.
TERM LENGTH: 30 DAYS

The Council A team of 30 well respected, polite, and politcal players. They will be responsible for anything that requires a vote. They are essentially the larger, more direct version for a voice for the players. They are also the final stop for appeals, ban requests, and admin complaints.
TERM LENGTH: 30 DAYS

The Admins A team of 20 polite, professional, and effective people. They are responsible for handling a-helps, handling server threats, hosting events, and answering questions. They are encouraged to be welcome members of the community, constantly playing rounds with the community to build trust.
TERM LENGTH: 3 MONTHS

The Moderators A team of 15, polite, professional, and effective people. Generally insuring the rules are not constantly being broken, assisting adminstrators, and even being one when there is currently not one on the server.
TERM LENGTH: 2 MONTHS

The Developer
Creates Sprites, Maps, And codes. Responsible for bug fixing, exploting patching, and feature additions. Generally should be experienced in their own field.
TERM LENGTH: 2 MONTHS

The Fourm-Admins A team of 25 polite, professional, people, whom of which are experienced in phpBB, and are capable of being semi-active to regulate fourm posts. And also capable of watching over fourm-moderators. And generally capable of handling posts / determining / fourm banning trolls / troll posts
TERM LENGTH: 3 MONTHS

The Fourm-Moderators A team of 20 polite, professional, people, whom of which are semi-experienced in phpBB, and capable of moderating the fourms for atleast 50 hours a week. And generally capable of handling posts / determining / fourm banning trolls / troll posts
TERM LENGTH: 2 MONTHS

The Admin Trainers A team of 15 veteran, experienced, harden admins/moderators, who are willing to teach newly elected moderators/admins. They hold juristicion over Adminstrators, Moderators, Fourm Moderators, And Fourm Admins for 1/3rd of their terms. This learning period is men't to teach new admins how to properly handle things.*
* Previous Admins/Moderators/Fourm-Admins/Fourm-Moderators are excempt from this learning period unless a Head Admin or Host determines that the previously experienced need to be trained again.

[SECTION 21A]
Due to the restriction on the ammount of deveolpers. All current developers will serve this term, the next term, only 10 of them may be elected.


I believe i've covered everything, comment what i missed and i'l make a new one after a while.

oranges wrote:

Rohesie wrote:we need to draft a constitution

We already have one.

Presenting the John Oxfordstitution


The fucking socialism conspiracys end here! *gavel smack*

Preamble
Essentially, this removes all the room for ANYONE to be shitheads/corrupt bastards withen the politcal/adminstration side of tg. By basically installing some good ol' fasion fucking democracy.

ADMIN RESHUFFLEING [S.1A]
Elections [S.1B]*
All admins/moderators are removed from the txt
All Coders/Spriters/Mappers titles are compressed down to "Developer"
A election for 1 Head Developer is ran.
A election for 1 Head Admin is ran.
A election for 20 in-game adminstrators is ran.
A election for 15 in-game moderators is ran.
A election for 10 developers is ran.
A election for 25 fourm admins is ran.
A election for 20 fourm moderators is ran.
A election for 15 admin trainers is ran.*

*Admin Trainers are selected from the current pool of retired/veteran admins. If the quota of 15 is not met, they are selected from the pool of current adminsistrators.

*No rank may run for more than 2 consecutive terms. However many terms you served, is the length that you cannot serve. (IE: I serve 2 3 month terms, i must wait 6 months [2 terms] to run for elections again])

*Hosts are cycled every 9 months, if there is no one willing to be the host, the host will remain at his rank. If the host is stripped of his rank, The head admin becomes host. All head admins must be willing to become the host at any period in time

*Elections will be created on a strawpoll, by the host, each election has 7 days to run, The winner is elected at the end of the 7 days, if its a tie, a revote lasting 2 days is created. The winner of that gets the positon.

ADMIN COMPLAINTS [S.2A]
Once a complaint is made, the affiliated admin is deadmin'd untill the complaint is resolved.
The adminstration team must remain completely unbiasd when dealing with the complaint, attempting to gather as much information as possible from the complainer.
The adminstration team will then make a decision, boiling it down to a 2 option decission. (Generally accepting or denying the appeal, other actions may be taken)
Once the decission is made, it will be sent to the player council. 2/3rds of the council must approve the complaint decission for it to pass.
If the complaint is deemed reasonable, and is a logical complaint, in favor of the complainer. The affiliated admin is deadminned, and may not serve the rest of their term, or the following term after that.
If the complaint is deemed unreasonable, the affected admin is promoted back to their original rank, and verbally compensated. the complainer is sent a message explaining why this is a case, and given several solutions on what could be done to improve the situation.

BAN APPEALS [S.3A]
The banned player creates a appeal.
The adminstrative team determines if it is a valid appeal, gathering as much information in the fourm post as possible (Yes or No determination)
The descsion from the admin team is sent to the council, a 2/3rds vote from the council is needed to confirm the decission.
If the decission is reached, in favor of the banned player, the player is unbanned, and compensated with a cool, non protective hat for one round. And the admin who banned him recieves a period of deadmin ship equal to the time that the player served in a banned status.
If the decission is reached that the player was wrong, by both the council and adminstration team, the players ban time is doubled, if it is a perma ban, the player may only re-appeal 6 months from the last appeal

BAN REQUESTS [S.3-AA]
The requestee creates a request.
The adminstrative team determines the cause, and creates a verdict, gathering as much information as possible. The paperwork sent to the council should include the ban time, ban reason, and modifiers.
The verdict from the admin team is then sent to the council, the council votes if they should deny the appeal, or accept the appeal.
The council must have a 2/3rds vote on the final verdict.
If the vote passes, with 2/3rds of the council agreeing, the requested players are banned for the reason caused.
NOTE: The council may not modify the ban time, but may decline it, and send it back to the admin team with a requested ban time.

THE COUNCIL [S.4A]
In the case that a 2/3rds vote is not reached due to the council members not voting, the ones who did not vote will be removed from the council, and may not serve on the same term. Their slots are then filled by a immidate election for council members.
If the ejected council member spots are not filled withen 3-7 busniess days, the head adminstrator will be contacted to make a decission.
If the head adminstrator is unavalible, the appeal is automatically accepted in favor of the appealee.
Council members do not answer ahelps, and do not have admin powers, they only have a in-game rank title, and access to the asay verb, to be able to communicate in game with the adminstration team.
Corruption/Bribery [S.4B]
If a council member is suspected of corruption/bribery by a player/other council member/admin, they are stripped of the ability to vote, and they're ingame powers and rank.
The adminstrative team will investigate the afilliated council members/players
If it is deemd that the Council member recieved a offer to be bribed, but denied it, the player/admin/council member who sent the bribe will be banned in game for 2 weeks, and barred from politcal positions.
If it is deemd that the Council member recieved a bribe, and accepted it, both will be banned for 1 month, and barred from politcal decissions.
Corruption follows the same proceedures as the admin team, see: Section 5B
Blackmailing [2.4C]
Council members suspected of recieving blackmail, will temporaily be stripped of rank to preserve the tranquility of the political body that is /tg/station.
The adminstrative team will then investigate if the council member has been black mailed.
If the council member has been blackmailed, the player/admin/council member that blackmailed him will be banned from the server for 2 weeks, and barred from joinning politcal positions.
If the council member has not been blackmailed, the council member will regain his rank after what he has been blackmailed with is deemed to no longer be able to be used to blackmail him.

THE ADMINSTRATION TEAM [S.5A]
Corruption [S.5B]
Any sign of corruption determined by the council or players, will be investigated by the council.
If deemed corrupt, affiliated admins will be deadmin'd, and they're spots will remain empty until the end of the term. The affiliated admins may not serve the term after their deadminship.
The adminstration team must remain absolutely professional at all times, breaking this is terms for a period of power removal, varrying in time for the action preformed.
Button pushing / spamming events, (Determined by the council/players) is cause for power removal for a extended period of time (6 months+)
Abuse, is cause for permanent admin removal (Determined by other admins/council/players) This is run through a vote in the council, 2/3rds of the council must deem it abuse. If the verdict is deemed true, affected admin is stripped of his power, and barred from ever serving a term as a admin/council member.

Blackmailing [S.5C]
Follows the same proceedure as the council, see Section 2.4 C

EVENTS [S.5-AA]
All events that are created, must be ran through the council to be approved.
If your event is not approved, and you run it, you will recieve a 6 month event ban. Disallowing you from making events, even if they are approved.
Hosting another unapproved event results in a 2 week server ban, and being stripped of your rank, you may not run for the same position until 2 terms have passed (Including the one you are currently in)


CHAIN OF COMMAND[S.6A]
The Host The Host leads the adminstrative team, trains the adminstrative team, and insures they are kept to a high standard, he also trains newly elected head admins. He has a vote in the adminstrative team votes, he cannot overturn votes from the adminstrative team, he cannot discharge admins/mods without going through a process (This disincludes dire circumstances IE: The admin is destroying/DDOSing the server) He is responsible for managing elections, and insuring this entire system doesn't turn into one big clusterfuck.
TERM LENGTH: 9 MONTHS

The Head Admin The Head Admin is the second in command of the admin team, sharing most of the responsabilitys of the Host, that's why he will be trained by the host. This should generally be a polite, friendly, intelligent, and well-respected player. A player who is also capable of getting the job done
TERM LENGTH: 4 MONTHS

The Head Developer Responsible for keeping track of github updates, and updating the changelog, is also responsible for finding bugs and fixing them. He leads the dev team, and is mainly responsible for keeping them in track. This player should generally be experienced in NTSL, Spriting, and mapping. Also capable of handling exploits, ect ect.

The Council Leader This is one person elected by the council, they are equal to the council, but are generally the most active. They are responsible for communicating with the players and admin team, insuring all the information/vote decissions are communicated between every individual. He is also responsable for keeping and transfering all the appeals and paperwork between the admin team and council. All the rules that apply to the council, also apply to him.
TERM LENGTH: 30 DAYS

The Council A team of 30 well respected, polite, and politcal players. They will be responsible for anything that requires a vote. They are essentially the larger, more direct version for a voice for the players. They are also the final stop for appeals, ban requests, and admin complaints.
TERM LENGTH: 30 DAYS

The Admins A team of 20 polite, professional, and effective people. They are responsible for handling a-helps, handling server threats, hosting events, and answering questions. They are encouraged to be welcome members of the community, constantly playing rounds with the community to build trust.
TERM LENGTH: 3 MONTHS

The Moderators A team of 15, polite, professional, and effective people. Generally insuring the rules are not constantly being broken, assisting adminstrators, and even being one when there is currently not one on the server.
TERM LENGTH: 2 MONTHS

The Developer
Creates Sprites, Maps, And codes. Responsible for bug fixing, exploting patching, and feature additions. Generally should be experienced in their own field.
TERM LENGTH: 2 MONTHS

The Fourm-Admins A team of 25 polite, professional, people, whom of which are experienced in phpBB, and are capable of being semi-active to regulate fourm posts. And also capable of watching over fourm-moderators. And generally capable of handling posts / determining / fourm banning trolls / troll posts
TERM LENGTH: 3 MONTHS

The Fourm-Moderators A team of 20 polite, professional, people, whom of which are semi-experienced in phpBB, and capable of moderating the fourms for atleast 50 hours a week. And generally capable of handling posts / determining / fourm banning trolls / troll posts
TERM LENGTH: 2 MONTHS

The Admin Trainers A team of 15 veteran, experienced, harden admins/moderators, who are willing to teach newly elected moderators/admins. They hold juristicion over Adminstrators, Moderators, Fourm Moderators, And Fourm Admins for 1/3rd of their terms. This learning period is men't to teach new admins how to properly handle things.*
* Previous Admins/Moderators/Fourm-Admins/Fourm-Moderators are excempt from this learning period unless a Head Admin or Host determines that the previously experienced need to be trained again.

[SECTION 21A]
Due to the restriction on the ammount of deveolpers. All current developers will serve this term, the next term, only 10 of them may be elected.


I believe i've covered everything, comment what i missed and i'l make a new one after a while.

autism

Damn,

Rohen_Tahir wrote:

oranges wrote:

Rohesie wrote:we need to draft a constitution

We already have one.

Presenting the John Oxfordstitution


The fucking socialism conspiracys end here! *gavel smack*

Preamble
Essentially, this removes all the room for ANYONE to be shitheads/corrupt bastards withen the politcal/adminstration side of tg. By basically installing some good ol' fasion fucking democracy.

ADMIN RESHUFFLEING [S.1A]
Elections [S.1B]*
All admins/moderators are removed from the txt
All Coders/Spriters/Mappers titles are compressed down to "Developer"
A election for 1 Head Developer is ran.
A election for 1 Head Admin is ran.
A election for 20 in-game adminstrators is ran.
A election for 15 in-game moderators is ran.
A election for 10 developers is ran.
A election for 25 fourm admins is ran.
A election for 20 fourm moderators is ran.
A election for 15 admin trainers is ran.*

*Admin Trainers are selected from the current pool of retired/veteran admins. If the quota of 15 is not met, they are selected from the pool of current adminsistrators.

*No rank may run for more than 2 consecutive terms. However many terms you served, is the length that you cannot serve. (IE: I serve 2 3 month terms, i must wait 6 months [2 terms] to run for elections again])

*Hosts are cycled every 9 months, if there is no one willing to be the host, the host will remain at his rank. If the host is stripped of his rank, The head admin becomes host. All head admins must be willing to become the host at any period in time

*Elections will be created on a strawpoll, by the host, each election has 7 days to run, The winner is elected at the end of the 7 days, if its a tie, a revote lasting 2 days is created. The winner of that gets the positon.

ADMIN COMPLAINTS [S.2A]
Once a complaint is made, the affiliated admin is deadmin'd untill the complaint is resolved.
The adminstration team must remain completely unbiasd when dealing with the complaint, attempting to gather as much information as possible from the complainer.
The adminstration team will then make a decision, boiling it down to a 2 option decission. (Generally accepting or denying the appeal, other actions may be taken)
Once the decission is made, it will be sent to the player council. 2/3rds of the council must approve the complaint decission for it to pass.
If the complaint is deemed reasonable, and is a logical complaint, in favor of the complainer. The affiliated admin is deadminned, and may not serve the rest of their term, or the following term after that.
If the complaint is deemed unreasonable, the affected admin is promoted back to their original rank, and verbally compensated. the complainer is sent a message explaining why this is a case, and given several solutions on what could be done to improve the situation.

BAN APPEALS [S.3A]
The banned player creates a appeal.
The adminstrative team determines if it is a valid appeal, gathering as much information in the fourm post as possible (Yes or No determination)
The descsion from the admin team is sent to the council, a 2/3rds vote from the council is needed to confirm the decission.
If the decission is reached, in favor of the banned player, the player is unbanned, and compensated with a cool, non protective hat for one round. And the admin who banned him recieves a period of deadmin ship equal to the time that the player served in a banned status.
If the decission is reached that the player was wrong, by both the council and adminstration team, the players ban time is doubled, if it is a perma ban, the player may only re-appeal 6 months from the last appeal

BAN REQUESTS [S.3-AA]
The requestee creates a request.
The adminstrative team determines the cause, and creates a verdict, gathering as much information as possible. The paperwork sent to the council should include the ban time, ban reason, and modifiers.
The verdict from the admin team is then sent to the council, the council votes if they should deny the appeal, or accept the appeal.
The council must have a 2/3rds vote on the final verdict.
If the vote passes, with 2/3rds of the council agreeing, the requested players are banned for the reason caused.
NOTE: The council may not modify the ban time, but may decline it, and send it back to the admin team with a requested ban time.

THE COUNCIL [S.4A]
In the case that a 2/3rds vote is not reached due to the council members not voting, the ones who did not vote will be removed from the council, and may not serve on the same term. Their slots are then filled by a immidate election for council members.
If the ejected council member spots are not filled withen 3-7 busniess days, the head adminstrator will be contacted to make a decission.
If the head adminstrator is unavalible, the appeal is automatically accepted in favor of the appealee.
Council members do not answer ahelps, and do not have admin powers, they only have a in-game rank title, and access to the asay verb, to be able to communicate in game with the adminstration team.
Corruption/Bribery [S.4B]
If a council member is suspected of corruption/bribery by a player/other council member/admin, they are stripped of the ability to vote, and they're ingame powers and rank.
The adminstrative team will investigate the afilliated council members/players
If it is deemd that the Council member recieved a offer to be bribed, but denied it, the player/admin/council member who sent the bribe will be banned in game for 2 weeks, and barred from politcal positions.
If it is deemd that the Council member recieved a bribe, and accepted it, both will be banned for 1 month, and barred from politcal decissions.
Corruption follows the same proceedures as the admin team, see: Section 5B
Blackmailing [2.4C]
Council members suspected of recieving blackmail, will temporaily be stripped of rank to preserve the tranquility of the political body that is /tg/station.
The adminstrative team will then investigate if the council member has been black mailed.
If the council member has been blackmailed, the player/admin/council member that blackmailed him will be banned from the server for 2 weeks, and barred from joinning politcal positions.
If the council member has not been blackmailed, the council member will regain his rank after what he has been blackmailed with is deemed to no longer be able to be used to blackmail him.

THE ADMINSTRATION TEAM [S.5A]
Corruption [S.5B]
Any sign of corruption determined by the council or players, will be investigated by the council.
If deemed corrupt, affiliated admins will be deadmin'd, and they're spots will remain empty until the end of the term. The affiliated admins may not serve the term after their deadminship.
The adminstration team must remain absolutely professional at all times, breaking this is terms for a period of power removal, varrying in time for the action preformed.
Button pushing / spamming events, (Determined by the council/players) is cause for power removal for a extended period of time (6 months+)
Abuse, is cause for permanent admin removal (Determined by other admins/council/players) This is run through a vote in the council, 2/3rds of the council must deem it abuse. If the verdict is deemed true, affected admin is stripped of his power, and barred from ever serving a term as a admin/council member.

Blackmailing [S.5C]
Follows the same proceedure as the council, see Section 2.4 C

EVENTS [S.5-AA]
All events that are created, must be ran through the council to be approved.
If your event is not approved, and you run it, you will recieve a 6 month event ban. Disallowing you from making events, even if they are approved.
Hosting another unapproved event results in a 2 week server ban, and being stripped of your rank, you may not run for the same position until 2 terms have passed (Including the one you are currently in)


CHAIN OF COMMAND[S.6A]
The Host The Host leads the adminstrative team, trains the adminstrative team, and insures they are kept to a high standard, he also trains newly elected head admins. He has a vote in the adminstrative team votes, he cannot overturn votes from the adminstrative team, he cannot discharge admins/mods without going through a process (This disincludes dire circumstances IE: The admin is destroying/DDOSing the server) He is responsible for managing elections, and insuring this entire system doesn't turn into one big clusterfuck.
TERM LENGTH: 9 MONTHS

The Head Admin The Head Admin is the second in command of the admin team, sharing most of the responsabilitys of the Host, that's why he will be trained by the host. This should generally be a polite, friendly, intelligent, and well-respected player. A player who is also capable of getting the job done
TERM LENGTH: 4 MONTHS

The Head Developer Responsible for keeping track of github updates, and updating the changelog, is also responsible for finding bugs and fixing them. He leads the dev team, and is mainly responsible for keeping them in track. This player should generally be experienced in NTSL, Spriting, and mapping. Also capable of handling exploits, ect ect.

The Council Leader This is one person elected by the council, they are equal to the council, but are generally the most active. They are responsible for communicating with the players and admin team, insuring all the information/vote decissions are communicated between every individual. He is also responsable for keeping and transfering all the appeals and paperwork between the admin team and council. All the rules that apply to the council, also apply to him.
TERM LENGTH: 30 DAYS

The Council A team of 30 well respected, polite, and politcal players. They will be responsible for anything that requires a vote. They are essentially the larger, more direct version for a voice for the players. They are also the final stop for appeals, ban requests, and admin complaints.
TERM LENGTH: 30 DAYS

The Admins A team of 20 polite, professional, and effective people. They are responsible for handling a-helps, handling server threats, hosting events, and answering questions. They are encouraged to be welcome members of the community, constantly playing rounds with the community to build trust.
TERM LENGTH: 3 MONTHS

The Moderators A team of 15, polite, professional, and effective people. Generally insuring the rules are not constantly being broken, assisting adminstrators, and even being one when there is currently not one on the server.
TERM LENGTH: 2 MONTHS

The Developer
Creates Sprites, Maps, And codes. Responsible for bug fixing, exploting patching, and feature additions. Generally should be experienced in their own field.
TERM LENGTH: 2 MONTHS

The Fourm-Admins A team of 25 polite, professional, people, whom of which are experienced in phpBB, and are capable of being semi-active to regulate fourm posts. And also capable of watching over fourm-moderators. And generally capable of handling posts / determining / fourm banning trolls / troll posts
TERM LENGTH: 3 MONTHS

The Fourm-Moderators A team of 20 polite, professional, people, whom of which are semi-experienced in phpBB, and capable of moderating the fourms for atleast 50 hours a week. And generally capable of handling posts / determining / fourm banning trolls / troll posts
TERM LENGTH: 2 MONTHS

The Admin Trainers A team of 15 veteran, experienced, harden admins/moderators, who are willing to teach newly elected moderators/admins. They hold juristicion over Adminstrators, Moderators, Fourm Moderators, And Fourm Admins for 1/3rd of their terms. This learning period is men't to teach new admins how to properly handle things.*
* Previous Admins/Moderators/Fourm-Admins/Fourm-Moderators are excempt from this learning period unless a Head Admin or Host determines that the previously experienced need to be trained again.

[SECTION 21A]
Due to the restriction on the ammount of deveolpers. All current developers will serve this term, the next term, only 10 of them may be elected.


I believe i've covered everything, comment what i missed and i'l make a new one after a while.

autism

agreed

No mention about permabanning terranaut, sad!

thehogshotgun wrote:No mention about permabanning terranaut, sad!

No mention that we aren't not going to permaban terranaut!

Also I don't think we can trust somebody who still has a Santa hat on their forum avatar to run a fair election. Just saying.