/tg/Station 13

RocKeD wrote:That is part of what I am trying to solve, people just calling the shuttle because it's to easy, this should most definitely not be the case. One way to solve the creating more id's problem, is that the coder's could make a list of original id's and any fake or created id's that are not on this list may not call the shuttle.

RocKeD wrote:TL;DR: Increase required id's to call shuttle to at least two maybe three. This increases quality of play overall.

RocKeD wrote:How often does that actually happen, perhaps the captain's id and spare may have the right to create, give or modify current id's for "shuttle access". This is what I can come up with, I would like to hear more thoughts on this idea.

Tokiko2 wrote:How would you call the shuttle in lowpop then?

Oldman Robustin wrote:No. Just No.
Short Answer: No
Long Answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

MisterPerson wrote:It's dangerous to even potentially put the station in a situation where it can't call the shuttle at all for hopefully obvious reasons. Oldling had this problem fairly frequently for example.

RocKeD wrote:

MisterPerson wrote:It's dangerous to even potentially put the station in a situation where it can't call the shuttle at all for hopefully obvious reasons. Oldling had this problem fairly frequently for example.

This wouldn't put the station in a situation where it couldn't call the shuttle. It would just make it harder which is the goal. Lets say there is a revolution or even just a changeling round, no matter which side wins they will have multiple id's to call the shuttle with. The changeling can easily obtain multiple id's, and this prevents them for example completing one objective then calling the shuttle 15 minutes in, they now have to find a second or third id to get the shuttle called and get the round ended. This would actually increase teamwork in revolution as well, as they have to cooperate to find other id's.

Saegrimr wrote:Honestly the hardest part about filling breaches is atmos. Shit will be frozen and airless for a while even dumping air cans into it.
Metal Foam grenades make repairs more difficult for me, or at least just more tedious, but works for sealing off an area you can't fix right away.

Saegrimr wrote:Honestly the hardest part about filling breaches is atmos. Shit will be frozen and airless for a while even dumping air cans into it.

Scott wrote:That's why the atmos department exist, to solve such problems. Make air in distro warmer and its easier to warm up and pressurize airless and cold rooms.

Actionb wrote: tldr: The problem isn't the shuttle, it's the players. Can't fix that easily.

Akkryls wrote:

Actionb wrote: tldr: The problem isn't the shuttle, it's the players. Can't fix that easily.

Very easy fix for this.
You move to a server which is more in line with what you want from the player base.

I'm not being all like "HUR, GO BACK TO BAY" or anything, but if you have a problem with how people play on the server, wouldn't it be wiser to swap to a different server than trying to change the fundamental way our server plays out?

EndgamerAzari wrote:One of the most common themes I see is the "we can fix this!" crowd not understanding the sheer extent of the damage. Like, it's easy to say "oh, that's nothing" when the singularity seemed to wander away from the station from your perspective; in reality, all of science is gone and most of medbay is in a vacuum.

RocKeD wrote:

EndgamerAzari wrote:One of the most common themes I see is the "we can fix this!" crowd not understanding the sheer extent of the damage. Like, it's easy to say "oh, that's nothing" when the singularity seemed to wander away from the station from your perspective; in reality, all of science is gone and most of medbay is in a vacuum.

I don't believe that.. I'm not saying when the singularity is loose that we should try to fix the station, at that point all hope is lost. What I'm saying is that when someone sets off a huge fire or an explosion goes off or meteors strike, people rely way to much on the shuttle to solve their problem and just end the round and start fresh. If the station gets to a point such as you're describing then most people on the station would already be in agreement that the shuttle needs to be called. How many rounds have you seen where at the end you see station integrity over 98% and no real reason to end?

Edit: I have made a new topic that may help out with players not doing or knowing the things that they should do: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3564

Scones wrote:WECAWLL! WECAWLL!

fuck that we're at sub-70% station integ we're outski amigo

(i wish AIs or engineers could view total station integrity)

datum/station_state
	var/floor = 0
	var/wall = 0
	var/r_wall = 0
	var/window = 0
	var/door = 0
	var/grille = 0
	var/mach = 0
	var/num_territories = 1//Number of total valid territories for gang mode


/datum/station_state/proc/count(var/count_territories)
	for(var/turf/T in block(locate(1,1,1), locate(world.maxx,world.maxy,1)))

		if(istype(T,/turf/simulated/floor))
			if(!(T:burnt))
				src.floor += 12
			else
				src.floor += 1

		if(istype(T, /turf/simulated/wall))
			if(T:intact)
				src.wall += 2
			else
				src.wall += 1

		if(istype(T, /turf/simulated/wall/r_wall))
			if(T:intact)
				src.r_wall += 2
			else
				src.r_wall += 1


		for(var/obj/O in T.contents)
			if(istype(O, /obj/structure/window))
				src.window += 1
			else if(istype(O, /obj/structure/grille) && (!O:destroyed))
				src.grille += 1
			else if(istype(O, /obj/machinery/door))
				src.door += 1
			else if(istype(O, /obj/machinery))
				src.mach += 1

	if(count_territories)
		var/list/valid_territories = list()
		for(var/area/A in world) //First, collect all area types on the station zlevel
			if(A.z == ZLEVEL_STATION)
				if(!(A.type in valid_territories) && A.valid_territory)
					valid_territories |= A.type
		if(valid_territories.len)
			num_territories = valid_territories.len //Add them all up to make the total number of area types
		else
			world << "ERROR: NO VALID TERRITORIES"

/datum/station_state/proc/score(var/datum/station_state/result)
	if(!result)	return 0
	var/output = 0
	output += (result.floor / max(floor,1))
	output += (result.r_wall/ max(r_wall,1))
	output += (result.wall / max(wall,1))
	output += (result.window / max(window,1))
	output += (result.door / max(door,1))
	output += (result.grille / max(grille,1))
	output += (result.mach / max(mach,1))
	return (output/7)

Malkevin wrote:And people want to increase the amount of damage a bomb can do.

Amelius wrote:

Malkevin wrote:And people want to increase the amount of damage a bomb can do.

Honestly, the damage is structural. I definitely wouldn't be opposed to increasing the bombcap in terms of damage to surrounding people, while keeping the structural damage the same. The latter is the part that's a bitch to clean up, and unless you're literally next to the bomb you won't be gibbed either.

RocKeD wrote:

Amelius wrote:

Malkevin wrote:And people want to increase the amount of damage a bomb can do.

Honestly, the damage is structural. I definitely wouldn't be opposed to increasing the bombcap in terms of damage to surrounding people, while keeping the structural damage the same. The latter is the part that's a bitch to clean up, and unless you're literally next to the bomb you won't be gibbed either.

I believe they are trying to keep the gibbing down, as that's kinda frowned upon as the person that was gibbed cannot easily rejoin the round, and definitely not as a human.