/tg/Station 13

PKPenguin321 wrote:me oranges me merge pr me close other pr unh unh ooga booga *beats chest*

PKPenguin321 wrote:me oranges me merge pr me close other pr unh unh ooga booga *beats chest*

Incomptinence wrote:Why would a meteor bother telling pea brained dinosaurs it's going to hit?

Players are dead.

Incomptinence wrote:Why would a meteor bother telling pea brained dinosaurs it's going to hit?

Players are dead.

BeeSting12 wrote:We're all children in the back of the van with oranges at the wheel going wherever he wants to go.

BeeSting12 wrote:We're all children in the back of the van with oranges at the wheel going wherever he wants to go.

DrunkenMatey wrote:

BeeSting12 wrote:We're all children in the back of the van with oranges at the wheel going wherever he wants to go.

Uncy Oranges, where are you taking us? Are we going to Wendy's? Do we get ice cream?

BeeSting12 wrote:We're all children in the back of the van with oranges at the wheel going wherever he wants to go.

MisterPerson wrote:Tip to OP: If you ask a more specific question, you might get a more specific answer.

oranges wrote: Point: Death should be a meaningful experience

Death has to be a serious event for players, because it leads to an increased sense of tension and criticality in decision making, which makes you feel more involved in the game and should hopefully make you feel more tense in dangerous situations.

Yes, I recognise that there are issues with people dying and having to leave the round for very long periods of time, so we do want to temper this point with options to get back in the round. However, I am of the strong belief that's it better to do this with ghost roles or significant gameplay changes like borging/becoming a pod person. These have significant ongoing gameplay impacts for you that make the death still meaningful, while allowing you to engage in the round again. I'm not convinced that simply losing gear, or your equipment on you is enough of a change to make death a meaningful experience, which was why I was unhappy with the prescanner and autoclone system in it's current form.

In general I believe that the formalisation of cloning from random bug to full game mechanic many eons ago started a bit of a trend towards a trivilisation of death that I would like to reverse in order to increase engagement with your character and their general health and wellbeing.

I'm not sure we're at the stage where a full removal of cloning would be acceptable so in the meantime I'm acting to mollify the worst of the issues by removing it's safety net factor by making it apply only after you're dead and only if your body is available.

oranges wrote:Incomp you dumb as fuck, even if you got what you wanted you'd still complain about it cause I guess it detracts from whatever sad pathetic existence you're living right now.

bman wrote:

oranges wrote:Incomp you dumb as fuck, even if you got what you wanted you'd still complain about it cause I guess it detracts from whatever sad pathetic existence you're living right now.

bruh we're all memeing here dial it back

oranges wrote:Also to answer your question OP, I intend to pretty much keep going on the course that we are going on, a large sandbox, with lots of interaction between systems to allow for lots of player flexibility, I only intend to trim around the edges some of the fat, and as mentioned, I have a personal issue with how meaningless death is at the moment.

My personal view is that the game is at it's best when you're forced to make meaningful tradeoffs, so I will always push for limiting peoples options when they make a choice (so it's a meaningful one).

The other issue I see right now is that some departments are effectively redundant due to lack of need (cargo and medbay) so we need to work on those areas to make them more meaningful.

I can't be specific about things because I have no power to actually implement anything short of developing it myself and I'm busy enough with reviewing other peoples PRs to the point where it's laughable to assume I'll manage any significant changes. So when people ask me what I intend to do I don't really understand how to answer that question.

As has always, always been the case, the people who decide the design direction for the game are actually the people who bring ideas to life, and I can't answer on behalf of other random people about what they might choose or choose not to do. I can only give guidance on how I might interpret someone’s change.

DrunkenMatey wrote:OK but, are you taking us for ice cream at wendys or not?

somerandomguy wrote:>I can't code big things, the game is still most shaped by the people who actually code it
"doesn't code": the new version of the "doesn't play" meme

iamgoofball wrote:my problems with getting important shit merged disappeared 100% after just pinging oranges in irc and asking him what he thinks of the idea

no news is good news most times

this is literally all you have to do to not "waste time" developing, just ask them if it's okay first

Zarniwoop wrote:The fact that so much shitcode from you has been merged doesn't inspire confidence.

Zarniwoop wrote:Wonder if it has more to do with you two constantly suckin each other off than any legitimate merit to the code.

Zarniwoop wrote:Besides, you're banned from contributing so according to oranges you need to fuck off anyway.

Zarniwoop wrote:Nice that we managed to trigger him into giving a real answer for once.

Zarniwoop wrote:Shame he can't do so without insulting folks, sure can't take it for how much he dishes it out.

oranges wrote:

DrunkenMatey wrote:OK but, are you taking us for ice cream at wendys or not?

wendy's drive through but I'm ordering a single black coffee for myself

somerandomguy wrote:>I can't code big things, the game is still most shaped by the people who actually code it
"doesn't code": the new version of the "doesn't play" meme

DO you have something concrete to say or did you just want to add your 5cents

Zarniwoop wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:my problems with getting important shit merged disappeared 100% after just pinging oranges in irc and asking him what he thinks of the idea

no news is good news most times

this is literally all you have to do to not "waste time" developing, just ask them if it's okay first

The fact that so much shitcode from you has been merged doesn't inspire confidence. Wonder if it has more to do with you two constantly suckin each other off than any legitimate merit to the code. Besides, you're banned from contributing so according to oranges you need to fuck off anyway.

Nice that we managed to trigger him into giving a real answer for once. Shame he can't do so without insulting folks, sure can't take it for how much he dishes it out.

somerandomguy wrote:>I can't code big things, the game is still most shaped by the people who actually code it
"doesn't code": the new version of the "doesn't play" meme

PKPenguin321 wrote:me oranges me merge pr me close other pr unh unh ooga booga *beats chest*