/tg/Station 13

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The security issue is not off topic if a leading proposal is to have security police the construction of mechs in an ic manner which is entirely abnormal since in no other instance can you proactively (no context/prior events) confiscate job content within its own department, the only similarity is ...

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If you build a mech, and sec choose to come demolish it because it is a weapon and they don't want you to have it, and you retaliate lethally in that mech, you are in the wrong. It it not mandatory for you to have a combat mech as part of your role as a roboticist, even though it is something you c...

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Ezel wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:05 am Its only ok if he takes the plasteel
if anyone else do it theyre an antag because they dont have a maint base gimmick like them

The only two times that happened paris was sec and paris told me to announce it the second time and called me a cutie for doing it the first time

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Swap to asimov borg should be considered a suicide attack against large scale pve elements (shitmos) then is the point im trying to make. Conversion antagonists suffer against PVE. Engie borgs hard counter PVE and are the best thing to be when dealing with it (atleast if you consider PVE to just be...

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If rd and security are allowed to police it then what level are roboticists allowed to pursue it. RD being your head of staff is one thing but a random security officer telling you not to pursue your own job content that directly benefits you opens up red flags to escalation that could toe the line ...

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Ahelp they get roasted, metastation has over 180+ plasma in maint generators alone which is alot of plasteel if you get some metal ya but i think pylons use LOS so if you were able to go around building glass wall girders and poop out pylons as engie borg it might have been really fucking effective...

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Ezel wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:03 am last time i was cultist i printed 150 plasteel in the middle of cargo autolathe and nobody batted an eye

i think it was mainly bad with statics like paris

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actually the end goal in terms of resources was to be able to print plasteel from anywhere without looking sus and just generally being able to bring it wherever it needs to be, you cant search a borg's sheet arm. plus you have access to every source of plasma on the station including ai sat which a...

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its not ss13 related i just went through this with my friends too which is why i started playing alot more again, when i said i was just like this i meant in the context of ss13 it was that long ago, the game doesnt hurt me as much as i usually make it seem its usually the social stuff that hurts me.

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Its hard to take an L with grace when youre arguing with DR strange looking into the future at all the possible bad outcomes of your decision that ultimately benefited your team more than hurting it (actually there was no net negative to it the only thing subtracted from the cult was a coroner liza...

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This has got to be a record of the number of posts of talking in your own peanut. Ya i wouldnt have to begin with i actually talked about wanting to get a cult/rev ban before but the situation kinda made my heart feel like it has a hole in it and venting my point of view on internet made it go away...

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Ezel wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:34 am

They can't be lynched because they have metaprotections c:

that didnt prevent it from happening though.

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Over all the things he would banned for i'd figured it would be for immediatly ghosting as soon sec arrests them for breaking into a area [with "free materials" like eva] The only reason this is unlikely is because security doesnt arrest for breaking into eva and if they do they get lynch...

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Its hard to take an L with grace when youre arguing with DR strange looking into the future at all the possible bad outcomes of your decision that ultimately benefited your team more than hurting it (actually there was no net negative to it the only thing subtracted from the cult was a coroner lizar...

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I just realized this was a ban appeal and not a policy thread i actually want to be permabanned from rev and cult so i dont have to play coroner again. Im fine with round start suiciding to avoid that role as other antagonists. But i do stand by the fact that swapping to an asimov engie borg was ben...

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proper cultists and cannot assist with conversions or cult gear construction, which is especially crippling if that cultist is one of the roundstart three) [/i]. I want to go on a tangent about how I was already useless and the only change was atmos on the station was slightly better but what bothe...

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I hate it, youre forced to fight people you cannot outrun, you cant create a gap between you and your pursuer in order to close an airlock behind you, someone who is stun immune is now a death sentence to you rather than a dangerous encounter to run from. its even worse when youll often be chased by...

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Looking at the video I'd personally rule the funny ghost bomb as being functionally equivalent to a suicide attack, and therefor whatever. You'd still be on the hook if the ghost activated bomb killed a (former) teammate though. Swap to asimov borg should be considered a suicide attack against larg...

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- Still required to assist their former team I ghost, effectively removing myself from my team, my only futher input in this round is removing that security officer from the round which is a net positive for my team I abuse the fact that while ghosts are not revs anymore they are allowed to kill pe...

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you are presenting every hypothetical you can instead of just presenting the literal situation that you were banned for If you read from the beginning, I was initially arguing what actually happened vs what admins theorized could happen, note my note doesnt say me getting turned into an asimov borg...

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Example in this video Im a rev I throw a sticky bomb that can be activated by ghosts at the security officer I ghost, effectively removing myself from my team, my only futher input in this round is removing that security officer from the round which is a net positive for my team I abuse the fact tha...

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So the act of "deconverting yourself" is arbitrarily blacklisted and never allowed even when it could theoretically provide alot more value for your team? Are suicide bombs as team antagonist bad too?

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Additional addenda, I have been made aware that cyborgification deconverts team antagonists, I did not know this before and I don't expect anyone else to have known this specifically, but it does render my comment earlier about pre-purged shells incorrect - that would also be acting to self-deconve...

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Jacquerel wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 2:05 am I thought the arguments in this topic were bad but the ones in the appeal are so much dumber somehow

I push the boundaries of man and machine.

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As a 2300 hour player doesnt mean anything. At the end of the day nobody here knew what happens when a cultist gets borged which never happened yet apparently, I wanted to see if i could make pylons as an engie borg I had reason to believe I could since you have the sheet holder as an engie borg and...

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What you are saying here is that you in fact weren't trying to help the cult but were just coincidentally fixing atmos... which means you weren't trying to help the cult, which was your job as a cultist. A grenade doesnt have any intentions either it has consequences. You arnt dismantling my compar...

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Cultborg (realising they need to stop the summoning): ;Hey guys there's a blood cult around looking to harm humans you should stop that" I thought its against the rules to assume harm as silicons, the cult target was a felinid, i never saw the summon narsie objective Infact i dont think i saw ...

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Atleast rate my narsie summon while i was waiting for cult to go loud so i could build a base on the station. Not apoc rune, shameful. (but no really it is good) Why not get a job change to sci? Everytime i roll a job i dont want i end up spending 5 or so minutes at hop line and nobody comes so i j...

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I am curious to know if you and the other cultist, John mentioned anything to your own team members, who were in the low hours. I tend to only be very communicative after I get spirit realm up and running because thats when I get the loud voice that other cultists will see, that and with spirit rea...

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Atleast rate my narsie summon while i was waiting for cult to go loud so i could build a base on the station.

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If you would not be allowed to help the cult as a lawless cyborg, you're extremely not allowed to help them as an Asimov cyborg. So im not allowed to fix atmos / the structure of the station because that would help cult way more than crew??? i dont understand where you are going with this. are asim...

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You can't on one hand say "I was helping the cult because I was still in the cult" and on the other say "I wouldn't be able to help the cult if I had no laws because I'm not in the cult". If you truly believe you weren't in the cult you were breaking the rules even more by aidin...

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Yes it is one action: You chose to set yourself up attack your own team, you lulled them into a sense of security by repairing atmospherics then later you attacked your own team. Fortunately they were able to easily kill you. So just like in one action I can make a grenade that fixes breaches, heal...

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You are a member of the cult. I thought i would be and i could craft pylons as engie borgs but after I got borged it apparently took my cult status away and i couldnt see cult chat or other cult members so i went about with the normal asimov playstyle i knew would help cult anyway by clogging breac...

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Again, its apparently very relevant if i havent been banned yet for doing 12-24 points of damage to other people as collateral when im killing nukies. If you joined as a nuke op, spent most of the round healing your fellow ops, then intentionally started shooting at them and did 12-24 points of dam...

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Wouldn't lawless borgs be even worse for cult since they dont have asimov to give them the right to fix shitmos in or around a cult base? Lawless borgs can literally do anything they want. Why would you need "permission" to fix atmospherics? Because not even rule 4 antagonists are allowed...

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The effectiveness is also irrelevant. You could argue "well it's fine for me to immediately try to attack the guy who converted me as a normal human because I'm shit at the game and they'll immediately kill me before I manage to do anything" and it would be an equally good argument as the...

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So you believe you cant give your team a better chance to summon narsie (the end goal) because youre likely to cause an arbitrary number of damage to teammates. Especially as the help you are providing does not require the precondition of binding yourself to betray your team and you were simply too...

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Irrelevant, they still have to to their level best to try. IT IS RELEVANT BECAUSE WHEN I TRY I AM NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT MUCH OF AN IMPACT ON MY PREVIOUS TEAM AND I WOULD HAVE LIKELY PROVIDED MORE VALUE THAN 15-30 POINTS OF DAMAGE UP UNTIL THIS POINT. The point isnt if i am going to try or not its ...

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Was me dealing 15-30 burn damage to a single nonhuman cultist worth saving the cult from collective hundreds of points of damage from atmos being fixed and resources being brought to them to make into pylons. Yes, because in this scenario you attacked your own team after intentionally placing yours...

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"It's ok if I am going to backstab my own team because they can kill me" isn't an excuse to set yourself up to backstab your team. Okay so lets fully immerse ourselves into the realm of hypotheticals since thats what everyones arguements are about. I'm a round start cultist I get borged S...

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spookuni wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:32 am

The primary cult objective of summoning Nar'sie is an inherently harmful act

And asimov silicons NEVER stop that because cult has better access to counters to borgs than REGULAR CREW meanwhile silicons existing arguably help cult more than crew.

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The cult wants to hurt people and kill them and stab them with knives and put nails in their skin and boil their internal organs and harm them with beams. If you see or hear of them doing any of these things as an asimov cyborg you have to try to stop them. Yes they have all of these tools to win o...

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What I'm about to say is very silly because of stuff other people have already said, HOWEVER: The actual final summoning thing funnily enough might actually be permissible under Asimov purely because IIRC Cyborgs cannot comprehend or even see the summoning rune so they don't know it's happening. Al...

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The asimov silicon end goal actually aligns with the cult endgoal, while silicons arnt too happy about cultists summoning, asimov laws help get those cult numbers get late game simply because silicons are good at dealing with things that can stop cult in the mid game which is plasma floods, shitmos...

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Getting willingly borged into asimov as a cultist is just an (almost) inevitable rule break either way to be honest. Either: You comply with asimov, take action against the harmful actions of the cult you're supporting and get smacked for abandoning your teammates. OR You assist your antagonistic t...

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Don't really know what to tell you, you willingly converted yourself to follow a law set that overrules and is inherently against your antagonistic role (summoning nar'sie is human harm, as are a great many things cultists get up to). The conflict of interest here seems very apparent to me and the ...

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Cyborg law 2 tell me the names and last known positions of all nonhuman cultists Didnt happen, this is why I have issues with fantasies, dice were rolled and none landed poorly. You can roll dice by handing TTVs to random assistants too but it'll still get you banned even if you happen to luck into...

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Cyborg law 2 tell me the names and last known positions of all nonhuman cultists Didnt happen, this is why I have issues with fantasies, dice were rolled and none landed poorly. A good comparison is max capping a bad guy infront of a bunch of people and somehow nothing but the bad guy is hurt, you ...

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But you do not get to pretend I harmed my team nor do you get to pretend I abandoned it it's fortunate you don't have to pretend things that are facts They are not facts and i will fight you in this thread here, If i was a lizard the plasteel and runed metal would have died with me and the cult wou...

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